EVE General Discussion

To be perfectly fair, what the Orca allowed you to do was simply bail out of any fight when it wasn't going your way, as long as you were using something smaller than a battleship. That's not tactical depth; that's total invulnerability.

Not all dev decisions are bad. It's just that the bad ones are really bad.

Exactly. Worrying about changes after they happen is entirely pointless. Going into damage control mode to fix terrible changes takes much more effort and energy on everyone's part than simply adjusting the development process to suit the product's needs. People who advocate waiting until deployment to pass judgement on changes that are available to be tested and discussed today are the same people than never voted in their lives, but always blame government policies for how terrible their lives are.

So are the flags. Those mass-copied kill rights are still far more complex and prone to spaghetti than a single attribute owned by the criminal in question.

I'm operating on the description you've given me, which suggests that you would stand to benefit plenty from having a reward system attached to PvP — a system you're now being given courtesy of the new flaggin system (and the suspect flag in particular).

Any legal kill you get gives you a reward and the ability to defend that reward.

As luck would have it, neither is being removed so their status is quite irrelevant.

They're not.

Maybe you should hold the praise until I've started.

That was only part of it - which could have fixed by transfering aggro to the orca. The orca used to be the swiss army knife of ships. I used to keep in mine, a frig, a sb, a rapier and a cane. I would have the orca follow my main. When I got a fight I could see what they brought and switch up accordingly. The orca made semi-solo pvp more viable as it expanded my envolope of engagement. Now, if t hey come in a ship I cant beat my choices are limited to declining the engagement or dying. So where is the strategic depth? The game is becoming more linear and the rock, paper, scissors elements are being enhanced.

…aside from saying that they were (or were you just being silly and quoting things that had nothing to do with what you were saying for no good reason?):

So yes. You have indeed said that freighter ganking and looting is being removed. As luck would have it, they're not.

Ah yes, because players fill every nook and crevice in space and any attempt at a gank anywhere will see dozens of white knights pouring out of the woodwork to halt these dastardly acts like telepathic Imperial guard.
"Stop right there, criminal scum!"

By reward system, I mean reward system: a system that rewards you for what you're doing.

An example of a reward system is what you get for running a mission: base agent ISK rewards, LP, time bonuses, standings, looting rights, and usually a nice pile of bounties. The looting rights, in particular, are interesting: they entail your right to take stuff from a wreck and your right to shoot anyone else who tries it without your permission.

With CW2.0 — and the S-flag in particular — you gain a reward system: you get looting rights, which entail your right to take stuff from a wreck and your right to shoot anyone else who tries it without your permission. This right only extends to legal kills.

If you don't understand what a legal kill is, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to lecture me about knowing about play styles and about assumptions about “mercenary/empire war corporation[s]” and highsec-PvP, since it's course 101 for those activities. By legal kill I mean a legal kill: a kill that CrimeWatch allows you to make without any repercussions.

The consequence of the change is that looting and ganking will work just fine with a few adjustments. Plans and tactics have been in the works since April.

I'm sorry, this thread has exhausted my supply of tinfoil. Could anyone spare some?

So my reward is that I'll now be able to shoot the people who take from the wreck of a "suspect" that I kill. But, since he was a suspect to begin with, everyone would be able to take from his wreck. Even if I get the final blow, I wouldn't be able to shoot other people who take from the suspect's wreck. So, this case isn't an example of the reward system you claimed it to be a part of.

In the case of war, I would share ownership of my dead enemy's wreck with its owner. In this case, I would have the right to shoot random neutral parties who take from this wreck. However, once again, so would everyone else. I can concede that war target wreck ownership is a minor bonus. But it's just that: a minor bonus. This is obviously not the jackpot that you earlier said I won. What is?

PS: No need for personal attacks. Asking for elaboration on what you meant is different from asking about elaboration on what something is. Also, at no point did I lecture you. I only justified my opinion based on my experience with the game; I never questioned your own, but I did question whether you shared in my experiences to be able to comment on how exactly these changes affect my own play style.