EVE General Discussion

I have to admit...at first I was a bit disappointed and I did not react in the friendliest way. But Greyscale, You know what? - All you are going to achieve is that the existing pirate entities in High/Low/Null and wh are going to become even more organized and just kill everything that is possible rather than sometimes let someone pass...

So you will need to put some more effort in nerfing piracy next time.

Really, i am sorry to say this, but everyone who thinks piracy in highsec is unreasonable now, might want to go back to WoW. That's because those of you are not clever enough to notice, that PVP just got more hardcore than before this proposal. As real EVE players you should REJOICE that the PVP you are doing now needs more of your ability to think.

I am so sorry (not) for you guys that you cannot kill people anymore who were misinformed or plain not informed. How was that even hardcore? Oh, you killed the poor noob in his mission ship? What a GREAT pvp'er you are. Here, have a candy.

Every game needs to have a room for different game styles (let alone for new players). One of those is to just amass money and not to care about anything else. In an environment where caring about anything else is not needed. In the end we all share the love for spaceships!

Of course arguably, the place in EVE to do that might be too big and the means of amassing ISK in that area might be too powerful, but I have the hopes up that at least the latter might change in the future.

What I want to say, hell give the newbs and noobs their space, who cares? And if you want to have a "real" sense of achievement, come fight in low and wormhole space (and null space), where all the real hardcore EVE Online is going on.

Only because some players in EVE don't participate in PvP does not mean EVE is not hardcore. EVE is hardcore in many ways, not just PvP. Don't neglect everyone else because YOU do PvP.

I for one am glad to have a game with a diverse community, that I can play different styles depending on my mood.


And always remember, use your head to exploit the system and the loot will be yours anyway!

Really? you have no fkn clue do you lolol

Does anyone seriously think the serious gank groups are not going to be able to organise thier pick ups properly? All that will change is some randoms trying freighter ganks out will get thier own freighter ganked by others waiting to gank freighters. So one more dead freighter, yay. Plus the possible random passing freighter pilot looting your kill before you just got even more unlikely.

Funny how harsher player enforced consequenses for criminals means the game isn't harsh anymore. What's the matter? Ganking isn't as cool when it isn't safe and predictable? CCP isn't preventing players from doing anything they couldn't do before. Some of them are just too cowardly to continue doing it when there is even a chance of actual PvP happening.

I'm struggling to understand a point raised by the OP

1) How exactly does the Noctis prevent someone from ninja-salvaging?
2) And how does Ninja-Salavaging affect the crimewatch system, as salvaging doesn't activate any of the flags ?

If you could clarify your original statement Vol Arm'OOO, and explain how it impacts my 2 queries I'd appreciate a lot, thanks.

Jezze you guys keep asking and you keep ignoring the answers and the issues. The noc doesnt make ninja salvaging impossible - it makes it more difficult. It can simply vacuum the wrecks faster then you can get to them. Now some folk claim they work around it by sitting on top of the noc etc. . . Maybe they can -- good for them, but for us mere mortals, its become more difficult. As for the second issue of how ninja salvaging impacts crimewatch -- the whole point of the activity is to get the missioner angry enough to shoot at you. The salvage you obtain is kinda meaningless. There are only a handful of ways players can acquire aggro on a ship to ship basis in this game -- ninja salvaging was one means and since its been made harder, its logical that the amount of pvp obtained from such activities would go down. And "HTFU & adapt" is kinda a funny thing for you to say when what you mean is that you really like hello kitty online and cannot wait until ccp completes eve's transmorgafication into HKO's clone.

I'd rephrase that if I was you, ninja SALVAGING has NEVER given an aggro flag, ninja LOOTING does, there's a sizable difference between merely salvaging a wreck and looting it .

If you're trying to ninja to get aggro once a noctis is on the field you're doing it wrong, do it before the noctis gets there while the mission runner is still shooting at NPCs and you stand a better chance of finding someone stupid enough to shoot at you, the new NPC aggro mechanics will also curtail mission runners multiboxing with a noctis on the field which helps the would be ninja looter/ganker, I don't see the mission runners whining about it.

Whilst on the subject why don't you whine about the ability to set all wrecks as abandoned? that also removes your chances of getting into a fight that you know you can win.