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Derkata
#21 - 2011-10-10 06:28:16 UTC
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I just got reminded of this thread here: True Mission Skillz


Possibly the funniest thread I have read on these boards. Thanks.
ma perke
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-10-10 10:40:31 UTC
am i the first to call you troll ? :)

i do missions as well, with almost maxed skills in mach with 1200dps and in best case make 65-80 Misk/hour in low sec.

you use two accounts, so should divide the calculated ISK/h by 2 .

Your mission completion time for WC4 is questionable, I do it for 15min vs 10min for you?!

Hi-sec missions should give now(Nov 2011) about 30-40 Misk/h.
Low-sec missions - about 60-80 Misk/h
0.0 missions - about 80-110Misk/h ( maybe more if you have very good LP conversion ratio)
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#23 - 2011-10-10 11:43:47 UTC
ma perke wrote:
am i the first to call you troll ? :)

i do missions as well, with almost maxed skills in mach with 1200dps and in best case make 65-80 Misk/hour in low sec.

you use two accounts, so should divide the calculated ISK/h by 2 .

Your mission completion time for WC4 is questionable, I do it for 15min vs 10min for you?!

Hi-sec missions should give now(Nov 2011) about 30-40 Misk/h.
Low-sec missions - about 60-80 Misk/h
0.0 missions - about 80-110Misk/h ( maybe more if you have very good LP conversion ratio)



What does your ability to mission have to do with mine?

I use 2 accounts, the amount of isk I make per hour is still exactly the same.

I made this thread in response to the ones that said mission completion time was much lower than that, 6 minutes. That's why I included a script with a timer.

Record your own data and bring it here. Or start your own thread. Estimating off the top of your head is just that. "Maybe if", lol..

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
GreenSeed
#24 - 2011-10-10 13:11:09 UTC  |  Edited by: GreenSeed
oh wow...

1000isk/lp missioning for republic...


yeah, right.Lol



and yeah, isk/h must be divided by accounts used. otherwise i can say i clean l4 rooms in 4 minutes, while salvaging them at the same time, and my drone dps is around 1600s...


not its, not, its just alts.
stoicfaux
#25 - 2011-10-10 15:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
GreenSeed wrote:

1000isk/lp missioning for republic...


He's insta-selling or dealing in high volume markets instead of setting up long term sell orders or missioning for a corp with BPCs. Working for a faction navy selling implants and/or faction ammo makes sense if your goal is quick sales.

IIRC, Cipher has a thing for liquid assets and frowns upon massive isk/hour numbers that depend heavily upon waiting for market orders and contracts.



Quote:
and yeah, isk/h must be divided by accounts used.


Or, you pay for the 2nd account with a PLEX (aka ~400M isk right now) and factor that cost into your profits.

For example, if Cipher is making 80M liquid isk/hour missioning with two accounts, then he'll need to mission for five hours to pay off the alt, and then he'll need to mission for X hours before he'll catch up to a single account mission runner. If we assume 60M isk/hour for a single account, then it's:
-400M isk + 80M isk * t = 60M isk * t
20M isk t = 400M isk
t = 20 hours.
So 20 hours of missioning to pay off the alt and to reach a break even point versus a single account. After 20 hours the dual account is making 20M isk/hour over the single account.

Or, if Cipher is using a trial account alt (on a separate computer) and a T1 equipped Noctis to salvage, then the alt's overhead costs are ~2.7M isk in skill books (and a ~8 hours of training time) every two weeks.
edit: As per Derath Ellecon, the Ore Industrial skill cannot be trained on industrial accounts. =(

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2011-10-10 15:43:06 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
GreenSeed wrote:

1000isk/lp missioning for republic...


He's insta-selling or dealing in high volume markets instead of setting up long term sell orders or missioning for a corp with BPCs. Working for a faction navy selling implants and/or faction ammo makes sense if your goal is quick sales.

IIRC, Cipher has a thing for liquid assets and frowns upon massive isk/hour numbers that depend heavily upon waiting for market orders and contracts.



Quote:
and yeah, isk/h must be divided by accounts used.


Or, you pay for the 2nd account with a PLEX (aka ~400M isk right now) and factor that cost into your profits.

For example, if Cipher is making 80M liquid isk/hour missioning with two accounts, then he'll need to mission for five hours to pay off the alt, and then he'll need to mission for X hours before he'll catch up to a single account mission runner. If we assume 60M isk/hour for a single account, then it's:
-400M isk + 80M isk * t = 60M isk * t
20M isk t = 400M isk
t = 20 hours.
So 20 hours of missioning to pay off the alt and to reach a break even point versus a single account. After 20 hours the dual account is making 20M isk/hour over the single account.

Or, if Cipher is using a trial account alt (on a separate computer) and a T1 equipped Noctis to salvage, then the alt's overhead costs are ~2.7M isk in skill books (and a ~8 hours of training time) every two weeks.






Can't train ORE industrial on a trial account though.
Qalix
Long Jump.
#27 - 2011-10-10 15:55:40 UTC
Interesting data. And a lot better than most I've seen.

This subject comes up often enough that I wonder why the various people who posts these types of threads don't just fraps their missions and sales activity. Turn on fraps and go for exactly one hour and see what the numbers are.

Still, very interesting data. I never salvage, so I guess I'll never get these kinds of numbers :(.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#28 - 2011-10-10 16:21:20 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I just got reminded of this thread here: True Mission Skillz


Yeah I had the balls to post on my main when I made that post too. Come back on your main.



You are an abysmal troll. We know that you would like to be some sort of forum superstar, but Jimbob, it's not going to happen.


To be honest, any right-thinking poster would want to disassociate their main from that post you made to such a point that they would seriously consider biomassing their 130m SP character

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#29 - 2011-10-10 16:21:48 UTC
Quote:
He's insta-selling or dealing in high volume markets instead of setting up long term sell orders or missioning for a corp with BPCs. Working for a faction navy selling implants and/or faction ammo makes sense if your goal is quick sales.

IIRC, Cipher has a thing for liquid assets and frowns upon massive isk/hour numbers that depend heavily upon waiting for market orders and contracts.


Like I said its more if i fly it to Jita. Or its more if I market PvP on Rens.

Here's how I do salvage... . I keep each mission separate so I know whats what. I sell whats worth selling and record the combined value of the refined minerals (everything else). I then make the ammo used for the faction ammo. But there is STILL a lot left over. So I Imake pirate faction battleships. Going for about 50-90 million profit a pop right now. But I don't count the profit from industry in the mission isk, which is why I don't count the time hauling either (for the faction ammo).

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#30 - 2011-10-10 16:35:17 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I just got reminded of this thread here: True Mission Skillz


Yeah I had the balls to post on my main when I made that post too. Come back on your main.



You are an abysmal troll. We know that you would like to be some sort of forum superstar, but Jimbob, it's not going to happen.


To be honest, any right-thinking poster would want to disassociate their main from that post you made to such a point that they would seriously consider biomassing their 130m SP character


And to be honest, If I am an abysmal troll and you cant find the ignore button you are the epitome of a tool, letting me manipulate you into responding like that is pathetic. You're just super pissed that the thread where I was a total nub to level 4's (hadn't even done one yet) is closed and you cant troll it yourself.

Whenever you have some legit numbers from the game drop by and compare.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
stoicfaux
#31 - 2011-10-10 17:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
Cipher Jones wrote:

10.0 minutes
13,571,500 Total Isk... 81,676,970.6021066 ISK per hour was earned running WC4

4.5 minutes
50,093,333.3333333 ISK per hour was earned running Cargo Delivery

22.0 minutes
23,124,000 Total Isk... 63,017,713.8531416 ISK per hour was earned running Damsel

48.2 minutes
47,557,868 Total Isk... 59,258,909.4046141 ISK per hour was earned running AE4



LP gains were close to yours (a couple hundred higher.) Using 1,000 isk/lp rate as per your missions above. Salvage and mineral values were highest Jita buy order as per eve-central as of Oct 10, 2011. I'll dig up more from my spreadsheets when I get the chance.

edit: Times are for travel + mission. Does *not* include sell time.
edit2: One account.

WC4 (angel/sansha)
Tengu, Blitz - 9:23 - 13.3M -> 85.0M /hour (no looting/salvaging)
Golem, 5 TP, Blitz - 15:21 - 12.4M -> 48.5M / hour (mineral value of loot)


Cargo Delivery (BR)
Cheetah - 3:36 - 3.8M -> 63.4M /hour


Damsel
Tengu Blitz - 6:46 9.4M -> 82.9M / hour (no looting)
Golem Blitz - 5:17 9.5M -> 108.3M / hour (no looting)
Vargur - 13:04 18.8M -> 86.1M / hour (mineral value of loot)


AE4
Golem, 5 TP - 34:30 38.3M -> 66.6M / hour (mineral value of loot, no bonus room)
Vargur - 28:29 39.4M -> 83.1M / hour (mineral value of loot, no bonus room)
Tengu - 37:00 31.4M -> 50.9M /hour (no loot, no salvage)

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#32 - 2011-10-10 19:14:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Bumblefck
Cipher Jones wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I just got reminded of this thread here: True Mission Skillz


Yeah I had the balls to post on my main when I made that post too. Come back on your main.



You are an abysmal troll. We know that you would like to be some sort of forum superstar, but Jimbob, it's not going to happen.


To be honest, any right-thinking poster would want to disassociate their main from that post you made to such a point that they would seriously consider biomassing their 130m SP character


And to be honest, If I am an abysmal troll and you cant find the ignore button you are the epitome of a tool, letting me manipulate you into responding like that is pathetic. You're just super pissed that the thread where I was a total nub to level 4's (hadn't even done one yet) is closed and you cant troll it yourself.

Whenever you have some legit numbers from the game drop by and compare.




lol

Ok, tough guy. The thing is, you plead innocence here and claim here that you were a total nooblet about level 4 fits - yet you bascially flamed helpful posters in that thread from the get go and, armed with a bombastic sense of self-righteousness, proceeded to attack anyone offering half-worthwhile information (even it was to essentially point out that you were clueless and didn't have a clue what you were doing).

In fact, I do have some legitimate numbers from the game, and I will share them here: if you are making your money ingame through missions (as you appear to be doing, by calculating the precise ISK/hour value of running them - and don't try and wriggle out of this one, you are actively running these missions), you are really doing it wrong.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#33 - 2011-10-10 19:46:23 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
Jita Alt666 wrote:
I just got reminded of this thread here: True Mission Skillz


Yeah I had the balls to post on my main when I made that post too. Come back on your main.



You are an abysmal troll. We know that you would like to be some sort of forum superstar, but Jimbob, it's not going to happen.


To be honest, any right-thinking poster would want to disassociate their main from that post you made to such a point that they would seriously consider biomassing their 130m SP character


And to be honest, If I am an abysmal troll and you cant find the ignore button you are the epitome of a tool, letting me manipulate you into responding like that is pathetic. You're just super pissed that the thread where I was a total nub to level 4's (hadn't even done one yet) is closed and you cant troll it yourself.

Whenever you have some legit numbers from the game drop by and compare.




lol

Ok, tough guy. The thing is, you plead innocence here and claim here that you were a total nooblet about level 4 fits - yet you bascially flamed helpful posters in that thread from the get go and, armed with a bombastic sense of self-righteousness, proceeded to attack anyone offering half-worthwhile information (even it was to essentially point out that you were clueless and didn't have a clue what you were doing).

In fact, I do have some legitimate numbers from the game, and I will share them here: if you are making your money ingame through missions (as you appear to be doing, by calculating the precise ISK/hour value of running them - and don't try and wriggle out of this one, you are actively running these missions), you are really doing it wrong.


I both flamed and got flamed. And I thanked the people that helped. Repeatedly.

I mission because I want to.

70,290,000 ISK Total. 214,675,599.2509 Isk per hour was earned running Fortification Frontier Stronghold.
28/08/2011 02:48:06

I do wormholes for money.


internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2011-10-10 22:46:55 UTC
How many missions did you run to get your data to input? Just the bits you put in the first post (8 missions if I read that right?).

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Spineker
#35 - 2011-10-10 23:38:45 UTC
20 to 60 or very good day 30 to 60 million an hour constant grind. I don't give ratsass what spread sheets say. 20 to 30 being the real average maybe 20 to 40 on good days.

I have ran thousands and thousands of missions and they are even less lucrative these days.
Doracos
EVE University
Ivy League
#36 - 2011-10-11 11:59:34 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


I both flamed and got flamed. And I thanked the people that helped. Repeatedly.

I mission because I want to.

70,290,000 ISK Total. 214,675,599.2509 Isk per hour was earned running Fortification Frontier Stronghold.
28/08/2011 02:48:06

I do wormholes for money.



Wormholes - you proly using POS (that costs!) and you need to sell what you get from wormhole in hi sec and that takes time... and wormholes are like 0.0, so you cant compare that to lvl4 hi sec missions
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2011-10-11 15:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cipher Jones
Spineker wrote:
20 to 60 or very good day 30 to 60 million an hour constant grind. I don't give ratsass what spread sheets say. 20 to 30 being the real average maybe 20 to 40 on good days.

I have ran thousands and thousands of missions and they are even less lucrative these days.


Didn't use a spreadsheet.

The reason I used a program with a timer is because I cant be arsed to sit down at the keyboard for 5 hours straight every day. If I am at keyboard playing Eve the timer is running.

So yeah, run 8 missions and the average will be lower for "Real Time". This counts "Play Time" only.

Quote:
Wormholes - you proly using POS (that costs!) and you need to sell what you get from wormhole in hi sec and that takes time... and wormholes are like 0.0, so you cant compare that to lvl4 hi sec missions


WH life is great income. PI generates all the POS fuel except whats ice based, and I don't use blue Ice. And even if I did use blue ice and had to buy it, the increase in nanoribbons price would more than pay for the fuel.

Quote:
How many missions did you run to get your data to input? Just the bits you put in the first post (8 missions if I read that right?).


I had the intention of posting a lot more data points Eves Notepad ate them and I didn't notice. I plan on putting more up when work is less hectic.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#38 - 2011-10-11 23:10:23 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:


Quote:
How many missions did you run to get your data to input? Just the bits you put in the first post (8 missions if I read that right?).


I had the intention of posting a lot more data points Eves Notepad ate them and I didn't notice. I plan on putting more up when work is less hectic.


That would be good, but honestly the only way you're going to get accurate data on L4 isk/hr is by doing LOTS of missions in bulk, this is how it works with any sort of parsing.

I could claim to make nearly 70mil an hour with passive shield tanked ishtar with t1 sentries and no drone rigs/omnidirectionals (300dps...) if I wanted to but anyone that delved deeper would have noticed it was 2 lucky missions of lots of perfect sized rats for my dps and meta 4s out the ass: the next mission netted me 5mil and took 45 minutes, woohoo.

Set your timer, start missioning and just go flat out for 5+ hours a few times and you could give great feedback to devs, players and whatnot. There's a reason people parsing in games like EQ don't even look at parses under 10 hours.


Anyway, just my 2cents.



Also: can devs put L5s in high sec so people in 1bil+ fits have something to do by themselves?

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
Doracos
EVE University
Ivy League
#39 - 2011-10-13 11:37:23 UTC
Desudes wrote:




Also: can devs put L5s in high sec so people in 1bil+ fits have something to do by themselves?

there already have. its called incursionBig smile
Desudes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2011-10-13 13:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Desudes
Doracos wrote:
Desudes wrote:
Also: can devs put L5s in high sec so people in 1bil+ fits have something to do by themselves?

there already have. its called incursionBig smile


Basic EVE PvE progression:

Level 1: solo frigate
Level 2: solo cruiser
Level 3: solo battlecruiser
Level 4: solo battleship
Vanguard: ten organized faction/pirate/etc battleships

Find the skipped gradient and win a prize.

Excuse me, but what the f*ck are you desu?
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