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EVE player feelings on Dust 514.

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Jess Maine
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-10-07 16:05:25 UTC
DUST was an awful idea. Even though I own a PS3 myself with the client on it - I'm not going to be playing it.

Trying to tie an MMO with an FPS on seperate levels does not work, like someone mentioned in this thread if DUST is going to play a large role in the dictation of a corporations/alliance's assets in their space or around it you are practically forcing your playerbase to buy a console in order to defend themselves - I hate to sound bitter but it sounds like a clever marketting attack by Sony and CCP pockets some kickbacks.

Secondly, DUST is too complex for your average FPS Joe, I've played it, the options are overwhelming, complex and it has a lot of unique elements with its skill and equipment system - does this make it a bad game? No. Does it make it unplayable for the majority of casual FPS players? Yes.

From a marketting standpoint - excellent idea CCP but unfortunately you're not going to start a revolution to change FPS games to include more complex options with this piece.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#162 - 2012-10-07 17:37:40 UTC
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Its for console. That's the biggest reason for my lack of interest. I'm also weary of micro transactions. On top of that its a shooter. Another game about shooting people. Sci-fi can be a whole lot more interesting than that. We get to set foot on foreign planets and you want me to run and gun? Bleh.


Well, they plan to do the same with WiS. Leave your CQ and get shot, something you never experienced in New Eden.

Sounds so exciting that i don't know why SF films and TV shows succeed without someone being shot on screen each five minutes -maybe it's a different demographic?

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Zoyx Ruhroh
A-OK Logistics and Fabrication
StoneGuard Alliance
#163 - 2012-10-07 17:43:58 UTC
I'm less inclined to try it as the PS3 seems like an outdated console now. If it wasn't, I would consider the console purchase as both a reason to try Dust and the other side of gaming.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#164 - 2012-10-07 17:45:58 UTC
Zoyx Ruhroh wrote:
I'm less inclined to try it as the PS3 seems like an outdated console now. If it wasn't, I would consider the console purchase as both a reason to try Dust and the other side of gaming.


My PS3 is my blu ray player and netflix/hulu streaming thing Big smile

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Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#165 - 2012-10-07 18:21:39 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Edit: Removed NDA breaching material - ISD Suvetar.
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Optimo Sebiestor
The New Eden School of trade
Organization of Skill Extracting Corporations
#166 - 2012-10-07 18:40:57 UTC
The amount of s*ht talking about dust, from people never tried or just are angry cause its a playstation exlusive, is f*cking hillarious Pirate
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-10-07 18:53:09 UTC
Optimo Sebiestor wrote:
The amount of s*ht talking about dust, from people never tried or just are angry cause its a playstation exlusive, is f*cking hillarious Pirate


Like your face! Big smile

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Khira Kitamatsu
#168 - 2012-10-07 19:01:43 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's coming out at the same time Planetside 2 is. So. Guess which one is going to be better.


Is Planetside 2 also completely free? Shocked


Planetside 2 is Buy to Play. It'll have a shop to buy stuff, just like Dust.

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ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#169 - 2012-10-07 20:58:34 UTC
Hi,

We appreciate people are eager to make a point about this game one way or another, but the NDA for Dust514 is quite specific.
Please raise your feedback on the official dust514 forums please.

Thanks and fly safe.

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]

Mars Theran
Foreign Interloper
#170 - 2012-10-07 21:00:48 UTC
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

We appreciate people are eager to make a point about this game one way or another, but the NDA for Dust514 is quite specific.
Please raise your feedback on the official dust514 forums please.

Thanks and fly safe.


Sorry, I was pretty non-specific and only included basic references to stuff that was fairly obvious from the Dust website as being available. Didn't think any of it was in any way a breach of NDA.
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#171 - 2012-10-07 21:19:56 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
ISD Suvetar wrote:
Hi,

We appreciate people are eager to make a point about this game one way or another, but the NDA for Dust514 is quite specific.
Please raise your feedback on the official dust514 forums please.

Thanks and fly safe.


Sorry, I was pretty non-specific and only included basic references to stuff that was fairly obvious from the Dust website as being available. Didn't think any of it was in any way a breach of NDA.


Was interesting to read though, specially the tips on character performance. My impression from the early videos was that as much as getting hit meant certain death 99% of the time no matter what the player was wearing... and apparently that's it.

In a meta world, i wonder why would anyone bother to send troops to battle if they couldn't take the slightest bruise to their ubersuits -would be better to send in robots and let the best hardware/software win the battle. Would be impressive to see billions of dollars ultraprecisely vaporizing each other in a few minutes, then the few remnants winning over the lunar landscape of annihilation left after the battle...

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Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#172 - 2012-10-07 21:36:09 UTC
Mars Theran wrote:
Edit: Removed NDA breaching material - ISD Suvetar.
Thank you Mars.

Nice to see some honest feedback coming out about this game.

Obviously a bit too honest.
Helios Epimanes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#173 - 2012-10-07 22:03:07 UTC
So, I can take a break from EVE, crack open a cold one, jump on the couch and casually shoot at stuff for a few hours, while still having impact on the EVE universe? Count me in!
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#174 - 2012-10-07 23:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
I own a PS3 but I'm simply not interested because I don't play FPS all that much for years now (played Quakeworld and Q3 Rocket Arena in esports leagues, but lost interest at some point).

If I play an FPS, I play it exclusively on PC due to better graphics and controls.

Moreover, due to my general lack of interest in FPS, it has to offer really unique gameplay (like Day-Z) or somewhat decent gameplay combined with awesome graphics (like BF3) to lure me - Dust appears to have neither.

Last but not least, I despise the free to play approach.

Anyway - I'm obviously not CCPs target group when it comes to dust.

I expect it to fail hard, but hope it does decently enough to not lead CCP into bankrupcy.
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Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#175 - 2012-10-08 00:28:56 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
I own a PS3 but I'm simply not interested because I don't play FPS all that much for years now (played Quakeworld and Q3 Rocket Arena in esports leagues, but lost interest at some point).

If I play an FPS, I play it exclusively on PC due to better graphics and controls.

Moreover, due to my general lack of interest in FPS, it has to offer really unique gameplay (like Day-Z) or somewhat decent gameplay combined with awesome graphics (like BF3) to lure me - Dust appears to have neither.

Last but not least, I despise the free to play approach.

Anyway - I'm obviously not CCPs target group when it comes to dust.

I expect it to fail hard, but hope it does decently enough to not lead CCP into bankrupcy.


You say better controls but Dust has Keyboard and Mouse support on the PS3, so that's a non issue.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#176 - 2012-10-08 01:47:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
You say better controls but Dust has Keyboard and Mouse support on the PS3, so that's a non issue.


Well yeah - but then, games that allow both tend to **** off the mainstream console crowd because they tend to get owned ny keyboard+mouse players.

I personally use Ps3 Predator for multiplayer games on the PS3 in case they don't support mouse+keyboard, but the configurability is still poor and it lags a little compared to PC - really annoying (I'm really anal about my mouse sensitivity).

I got voted off GTA IV and Red Dead Redemption servers on a regular basis due to being accused of using 'hacks' and 'aimbots'. The dualshock crowd doesn't seem to like mouse+keyboard users in their games, obviously What?.

Anyway - you asked for opinions on dust, that was mine. I don't intend to play it and it most likely wont affect me a lot as I never dabbled in PI and stopped caring about using 0.0 sov in the last 4 years.

Dust will certainly attract a small fanbase, but all in all, I think it's a stupid idea and wish CCP the best of luck so it doesn't break their neck - they'll need it.
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Stegas Tyrano
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#177 - 2012-10-08 02:08:06 UTC
Hopefully they'll add more blood and Jungle foliage filled maps Big smile

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Bobby Oftheradio
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#178 - 2012-10-08 02:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Bobby Oftheradio
I got sick of FPS games when I was in college and I was playing against people who had every inch of every Goldeneye map memorized. The few rounds of Dust I have played has improved my view of the genre, I have been trying to get in more play time but I really haven't had the free time. One of my Eve buds has been excited over the concept since it was first announced and it got him to go out a buy a PS3.

I love the concept and the unlimited potential behind Dust. How many null-sec CEO's would love to put an Endor style shield around their outpost? Nothing like that has been officially mentioned, however I don't think it is out of the realm of possibilities and illustrates the range that Dust could have.

I think its important to note, only basic game play is being tested in the beta and all that programming is being done in China. The developers in Iceland are the ones working on the Eve/Dust link which only the very basics has been tested such as chatting in local. Any corporation whether , null, FW, WH or empire based should be embracing dust, meeting the players, learning the ins and outs of the game. Those that fail to do will find themselves behind a giant curve.
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#179 - 2012-10-09 16:03:44 UTC
What do people think of the economic impact Dust could have on EVE?...

There's an article recently gone live on TM.com that says dust is just going to be a huge isk sink for the time being.
Gunnar Lange
#180 - 2012-10-09 17:13:52 UTC
uh ... I've lurked around the public Dust forums that are out there and it looks there's more to it than I thought before; shame on me for speaking about what I don't know well enough.

They're more eager to take part in sov warfare than the average of us it seems. Besides I'm realizing now that while here there's a strong resistance to each and every change that's proposed (no devblogs gets out without eliciting at least a little whining), they instead could be drive a lot of change because they are basically new players in a new game. Despite the misconception that Dust is a sort of 'tool' it could really become a terrible pain having to deal with them ... if CCP does it right.

Should really take the time to look at Dust forums, instead of the limited information on Eve related sites, it's a completely different music.

So thank you very much for the heads up.

Cerebral Wolf wrote:
What do people think of the economic impact Dust could have on EVE?...

There's an article recently gone live on TM.com that says dust is just going to be a huge isk sink for the time being.


If Dust has no industry, the ISK sinked into it would be money payed for taking planets in FW? Is FW as it is now capable of generating contracts for Dust clans?