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EVE player feelings on Dust 514.

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#21 - 2012-10-04 02:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Unezka Turigahl wrote:
Its for console. That's the biggest reason for my lack of interest. I'm also weary of micro transactions. On top of that its a shooter. Another game about shooting people. Sci-fi can be a whole lot more interesting than that. We get to set foot on foreign planets and you want me to run and gun? Bleh.


Join the infantry, visit far off places, meet interesting people, then kill them, it works that way in real life as well.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-10-04 02:40:24 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
I'm an avid Unreal Tournament 3 player so I consider myself pretty good at first person shooters. Thing is I don't own a Playstation 3, and I don't see myself buying one to play Dust 514 either.

So unless CCP comes to it's senses and ports Dust 514 to the PC, its just not something I'm interested in.


Also this.
Vera Nisjivaen
The Voidstalker Heresy
#23 - 2012-10-04 03:02:07 UTC
I've played a bit of DUST, and I hope it goes places. Mostly because I want CCP to do well so that EVE does well, but also because it's a really interesting concept. Two games, two entirely different styles of play, two different platforms, but one universe? If it does what it says on the tin, then the connection between the two has the /potential/ to open up a whole new playing field for game design.

That said, I'm not sure how it will do. My friends have expressed distaste for the eve-style market system, and it's never easy pushing an IP into a new market, especially against titans like Battlefield, CoD, and Planetside. We can only hope (One way or the other, given peoples' attitudes).
Cerebral Wolf
N.A.G.A Too
Domain Research and Mining Inst.
#24 - 2012-10-04 03:22:14 UTC
Do you think it being free to play will help it compete with those titans?
Revajin
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-10-04 03:44:33 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
It's coming out at the same time Planetside 2 is. So. Guess which one is going to be better.


Is Planetside 2 also completely free? Shocked


Yes. Yes it is.
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
#26 - 2012-10-04 03:44:59 UTC
All this assumes that the game will ever actually be released.

And why is this in the EVE Online discussion forum?
LilRemmy
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-10-04 03:51:06 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Athechu
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, *removed* has started to run news and articles on Dust 514. One of the ones i want to cover in the near future is about how EVE players feel about Dust. So far i get a lot of "Meh, so what?" from EVE players and i'd like to know what the reasons for that are, obviously i have my suspicions and personal opinions but i don't want to make assumptions and speak for everyone so i'd like to know what your thoughts are on it and why?...



can someone lock and delete these ****** threads about the ****.com already?

Shocked


Removing Inappropriate link in quote - ISD Athechu
Nylith Empyreal
Sutar Rein
#28 - 2012-10-04 04:00:41 UTC
Needs xenomorphs.

Who's the more foolish the fool or the fool who replies to him?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#29 - 2012-10-04 04:55:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
i'd rather bombard planets instead of grind structures tbh

too bad there's no real plan to integrate DUST battles over sov warfare, or even disputes over planetary frickin interaction

there's talk about integrating it into FW, too bad I don't play that

so maybe it'll be involved in nullsec fights after the FW integration, after the POS revamp, around the nullsec update in like 2014-2015 that was needed back in 2010?

disappointing
KrakizBad
Section 8.
#30 - 2012-10-04 04:58:07 UTC
All I see is lots of Dust Bunnies with daddy's credit card to try out EVE and buy lots of PLEX, which hopefully I will take from them. It's all good.
Cat Troll
Incorruptibles
#31 - 2012-10-04 05:45:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Cat Troll
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
i'd rather bombard planets instead of grind structures tbh

too bad there's no real plan to integrate DUST battles over sov warfare, or even disputes over planetary frickin interaction

there's talk about integrating it into FW, too bad I don't play that

so maybe it'll be involved in nullsec fights after the FW integration, after the POS revamp, around the nullsec update in like 2014-2015 that was needed back in 2010?

disappointing

I'm pretty sure they talked about how the release of Dust would be a base for a lot of plans they have for intergration.
Sov warfare is kinda a key part of EVE, so I'm not suprised they are taking it slow.
KrakizBad wrote:
All I see is lots of Dust Bunnies with daddy's credit card to try out EVE and buy lots of PLEX, which hopefully I will take from them. It's all good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLhIdM3r7yA
Taking money from newbies is also a reason we should support Dust ^_^

Lolwut: "Yes, you kids don't know how lucky you have it. These days noobs get given free tackle ships for PvP but back in the old days the only tackle ships we were given were our pods. We had to use them to bump their rookie ships out of alignment to stop them warping off."
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#32 - 2012-10-04 06:00:44 UTC
Selinate wrote:
The beta is at a stage now where it's much better than it ever originally was, so there's that. It now has some promise to be a fairly decent FPS on it's own.

If it really takes off, I'm hoping it will give much more depth to New Eden in terms of explorable home planets, more intriguing stories, more different environments to different areas of New Eden instead of the same rocks we have everywhere right now, along with more immersion.

The only problem I see with it right now is I have no idea how they're going to manage to make PI relevant enough to make Dust relevant enough to Eve. I mean, really? Fighting over PI installations and that's it? Oh no, you'll remove so many passive sources of income for so many players... big deal. If you make them contestable, then again, I don't see how it would be a big deal since there are soooooo many planets out there, they can just move to a new system and set of planets. In my opinion, they should be more focused on making it about fighting to take control of station environments in 0.0, and other similar endeavors...


My understanding is that controlling a particuiar planetary district will have an effect on the local system's economy, as well as returning taxes and such to the current occupying forces. Also, the districts may have a generalized effect on the system itself, similar to WH space or Incursion zones.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#33 - 2012-10-04 07:05:22 UTC
Quote:
EVE player feelings on Dust 514.


I dont have a damn PS3 to see is the game is as good as i assume.

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#34 - 2012-10-04 07:58:25 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
Do you think it being free to play will help it compete with those titans?


Maybe the opposite.
If they don't have a distribution system besides the download, it might discourage game play depending on how big that download is. I haven't owned a console in years but one of the aspects of Online I didn't deal with where console was concerned was the massive downloads and patching. Maybe its common with online versions of Console games too.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#35 - 2012-10-04 08:48:15 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
As some of you may have noticed, TheMittani.com has started to run news and articles on Dust 514. One of the ones i want to cover in the near future is about how EVE players feel about Dust. So far i get a lot of "Meh, so what?" from EVE players and i'd like to know what the reasons for that are, obviously i have my suspicions and personal opinions but i don't want to make assumptions and speak for everyone so i'd like to know what your thoughts are on it and why?...


It's an interesting opportunity for EVE, and full credit to CCP for taking a risk on a genuinely original concept. Worst case: it tanks, and gets folded into the PC EVE.

Personally, my expectation is that it will be a moderate success in much the same way that EVE is, with well above-average player lifespans. I think the meta-gaming/progression aspect will offer a niche that's currently just not available and while a majority will be turned off or indifferent, a minority will become long-term, hardcore (by console standards) players.

CCP most of all need exposure and publicity, since the strategy requires the largest possible number of people to try it out in order to net that fraction of them that will enjoy Dust's USP. Competing against the "big name" FPS titles for eyeshare will be... challenging. Getting Dust bundled with the new PS3 will be a help in this respect. And it seems that there is already a moderate amount of interest in the online console community.

Basically I think that Dust will be to Halo/MW/etc as EVE is to WoW/Aion/etc

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Elmanketticks
In Fidem
Outsmarted
#36 - 2012-10-04 08:59:52 UTC
I played the beta and was impressed as to how CCP managed to build a decent shooter with some EVE components in it as well... Though I think the majority of the PS3-owners (who ARE a bit younger than the average EVE player) will be overwhelmed by the complexity of DUST and - in the long run - EVE. There are simply too much options to choose from. It's not a simple shooting game and not a space-shoot-simulator either, but something in between and I really am uncertain that this will attract those who own PS3 consoles.

The only thing I am concerned about is: how will the outcome of DUST affect the EVE development? Will CCP cancel planned things like they did before when DUST becomes a failure? Even fire some developers? Is EVE at stake here or is the DUST development a completely autonomous part of CCP; failure or not being of no relevance to EVE players?

The State will not fall. Join us. Fight. Conquer.

edit: disregard that, the state has fallen.
Flamespar
WarRavens
#37 - 2012-10-04 09:13:16 UTC
I think dust shows great promise. Really excited to see howj it turns out.

The best feature is its ability to make PC elitests QQ.
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-10-04 09:14:34 UTC
Cerebral Wolf wrote:
Do you think it being free to play will help it compete with those titans?

While there is a couple games here and there that do well with a payed subscription model (hello EVE) online gaming is shifting hard towards free to play games.

Staying free to play is critical for DUST to stand a chance against titles that are seasoned veterans in the FPS market. I know most of you are PC4LYF players, and that is fine, but you can not pretend that the console market, especially FPS, is not a market juggernaut. It is a force of epic proportions.

Make no mistake, DUST will need to consistently dazzle and blow away players minds. For the amount of battles and such that needs to happen for DUST to function properly with massive amounts of back to back matches there is only one gaming platform that will be able to deliver that and it is NOT on the PC. Hate me forever if you want, but the vast majority of FPS players are doing it on a console and loving it.

The fewer battles that happen in DUST, the less of an impact EVE and DUST can have on each other. Then again I believe those of you who are afraid of new and different things (cowards in my eyes) want exactly that. Little to zero connection with each other. It is time for you to welcome DUST with open arms and provide real solid and meaningful feedback so both games can survive and thrive. Big smile
Beltze Sorgin
BSSLD Explorations
#39 - 2012-10-04 09:50:40 UTC
Can CCP please call the whole ships providing support from space thing "Ortillery" (Orbital Artillery) in as a nod to the RPG Traveller / MegaTraveller?
Gillia Winddancer
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-10-04 09:56:44 UTC
Cat Troll wrote:
Kitty Bear wrote:
I'm actually looking forward to the opportunity to nuke the s&*t , from orbit, out of the Dust players.

And they will be looking forward to nuke the **** out of you Pirate

Bart Starr wrote:
Fail. Fail hard. Crash and burn.
Hopefully it will be a sharp lesson for CCP.

I plan to provide plenty of negative fan reviews on gaming sites. And I don't even own a console.








So not only have you never tried the game, you also condemn it to failure before it came out of the Beta stage?
Seriously?
Is that the average intelligence of an EVE player?


Mate, that's the kind of individual that deserves to have the title "human being" stripped. Reason would be "too stupid to be human". To have that kind of attitude towards a product which he claims he will not use or care about in the first place is pretty much the epitome of retardness. What's even more amazing is that he's far from alone. There is a small group of people who think that they have more rights towards what CCP does than the CEO himself.

The Dust project have really brought them out from the woodwork.