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Goons freighter killing spree in Uedama

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2012-10-04 05:14:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Was that the "MY PRIDE AND JOY" guy? Because holy crap was he attached to his spaceship.


Yeah the 3.1b Fleet Phoon with "4 deadspace multifrequency rigs"
VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#22 - 2012-10-04 22:30:40 UTC  |  Edited by: VegasMirage
[sorry had to remove the story] they're bored

that is all

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Ginger Barbarella
#23 - 2012-10-04 22:43:46 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=10&y=2012&view=kills&scl_id=500

Top 4 out of 5 largest capital kills by the same team of goons in Uedama

Goons dont need tech, they got a steady supply of isk right here.


Good on 'em for doing it right! Cool

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac

flakeys
Doomheim
#24 - 2012-10-05 15:32:53 UTC
Xolve wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Touché, on the good side none of my freighters been ganked.


See- there's two options.

The Smart Way- Carry less than ~10b, that involves your freighter not dying.

The Wrong Way- Carry more than ~10b that one that involves your freighter dying.


You forgot the third way.Haul 50 ,split it in packs of 10 B the system before uedama , haul it to the system after uedama in these packs.Fill with the full 50B again and fly on as normal to your destination.

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#25 - 2012-10-05 18:48:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:

You forgot the third way.Haul 50 ,split it in packs of 10 B the system before uedama , haul it to the system after uedama in these packs.Fill with the full 50B again and fly on as normal to your destination.


Yes, do this.
flakeys
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-10-05 19:06:09 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
Xolve wrote:
flakeys wrote:

You forgot the third way.Haul 50 ,split it in packs of 10 B the system before uedama , haul it to the system after uedama in these packs.Fill with the full 50B again and fly on as normal to your destination.


Yes, do this.



Replying it in a ''haha yes do this we'll get you ******* anyway cause we be smarter'' actually doesn't work as i DID do this multiple times last week Roll



Xolve wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Was that the "MY PRIDE AND JOY" guy? Because holy crap was he attached to his spaceship.


Yeah the 3.1b Fleet Phoon with "4 deadspace multifrequency rigs"


Ah yeah that one was kinda funny/sad/odd .. nice recordings to listen when you think you're having a bad eve day :)

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

Reticle
Sight Picture
#27 - 2012-10-05 20:26:09 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Replying it in a ''haha yes do this we'll get you ******* anyway cause we be smarter'' actually doesn't work as i DID do this multiple times last week Roll

Note to self: add flakeys to my contact list
Slap Chop
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-10-05 21:25:49 UTC
flakeys wrote:

Replying it in a ''haha yes do this we'll get you ******* anyway cause we be smarter'' actually doesn't work as i DID do this multiple times last week Roll


Xolve doesn't know what the **** he's talking about, I applaud your effort. Keep it up.
VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#29 - 2012-10-06 12:55:23 UTC
Reticle wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Replying it in a ''haha yes do this we'll get you ******* anyway cause we be smarter'' actually doesn't work as i DID do this multiple times last week Roll

Note to self: add flakeys to my contact list


noted and added as well

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Michael Heineken
Spike Solutions
#30 - 2012-10-06 20:32:45 UTC
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)
Powers Sa
#31 - 2012-10-06 23:14:49 UTC
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)

You could just contact them for protection.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-10-07 08:11:30 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Reticle wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Replying it in a ''haha yes do this we'll get you ******* anyway cause we be smarter'' actually doesn't work as i DID do this multiple times last week Roll

Note to self: add flakeys to my contact list


noted and added as well


Be my guest Blink

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-10-07 14:18:54 UTC
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.
VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#34 - 2012-10-07 15:10:55 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:
The Chronophage wrote:
How low can you dip? It's more the number of ships needed for the gank that interest me, rather than the value of your target. If Xolve is right, the total damage on the killmail should be less than 100% because gankers are unaccounted for. If it is 100% from everyone on the killmail, then the implication is that even 1 bil is still a good gamble for a gank.

Why the hell does Eve-kill have to die now?

Technically you just break even at that point. You have to plan for general lack of drops. Terrible drops are 60-75% of the time. Soemtimes we get ultra lucky. We've killed 139 freighters and 5 jump freighters. Its a numers and probability game. We occasionally flub ganks where the DPS doesn't add up, but its very rare. Generally speaking you need get on the test server, and test How much DPS you need before concord shows up. I could tell you, but that would cheapen the sheer joy felt from that first gank with your own team.

Anyone can do this. You just need 2bil seed (that's what we started with) money from your crew, excellent gunnery skills, and a little bit of initial luck. If you want to pick a .5 like keberz, niarja, balle, hek, aufay, du annes, you could do this all yourself.

I'll even give you a tool for appraising scans that we used at the very start (we now have a much better one): http://sudorandom.com/cargoscanner

Please figure out how to do this on your own, and join in on the party. It really is loads of fun.


just want to say I like your style kudos to you in-game and on the forums

that value tool is pretty cool also, ty

enjoying your content, keep up the great work!







no more games... it's real this time!!!

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-10-07 15:17:24 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.


People could deal with the interdiction by passing in convoy at randomly choosen time. If 10 freighter show up at the same place, it require about 60 gankers to be there at the right time. You dvide the loss among the fellow convoy member and more stuff ends up passing than if people all go one after the other. Too bad asking most high seccers to work together insetad of all doing thier own little stuff won't ever work...
VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#36 - 2012-10-07 15:22:22 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Chronophage wrote:
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.


People could deal with the interdiction by passing in convoy at randomly choosen time. If 10 freighter show up at the same place, it require about 60 gankers to be there at the right time. You dvide the loss among the fellow convoy member and more stuff ends up passing than if people all go one after the other. Too bad asking most high seccers to work together insetad of all doing thier own little stuff won't ever work...


I approve of this amazing idea, providing more targets in 1 location is the best course of action. Proceed further.

no more games... it's real this time!!!

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2012-10-07 15:31:51 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Chronophage wrote:
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.


People could deal with the interdiction by passing in convoy at randomly choosen time. If 10 freighter show up at the same place, it require about 60 gankers to be there at the right time. You dvide the loss among the fellow convoy member and more stuff ends up passing than if people all go one after the other. Too bad asking most high seccers to work together insetad of all doing thier own little stuff won't ever work...


I approve of this amazing idea, providing more targets in 1 location is the best course of action. Proceed further.


That would mean there are many more gankers available at the same time than I though. Interesting.
Singeabooty Raj
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-10-07 16:02:37 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Chronophage wrote:
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.


People could deal with the interdiction by passing in convoy at randomly choosen time. If 10 freighter show up at the same place, it require about 60 gankers to be there at the right time. You dvide the loss among the fellow convoy member and more stuff ends up passing than if people all go one after the other. Too bad asking most high seccers to work together insetad of all doing thier own little stuff won't ever work...

Men on the internet turtling up to run the gauntlet collectively in order to increase odds of survival ? Hats off to the one who has the most pinata in the cargo and takes the hit for the team so the others might break through.

Black Man with Goggles

Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#39 - 2012-10-07 16:11:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
If the rebel ships were successful in getting past the blockade of the planet Hoth then I am sure men on the internet can do the same in Uedama. Just a shame that Freighters do not have ion canons.

Concord Approved Trader

VegasMirage
Did he say Jump
Dock Workers
#40 - 2012-10-07 16:12:20 UTC
Singeabooty Raj wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
The Chronophage wrote:
Michael Heineken wrote:
I'm pretty new here so please excuse the nub question. Is there no other route that these pilots could take? Seems a bit stupid to keep going into a system where you have a 100% chance of a bunch of Goons waiting for you. Also, is the issue that they're autopiloting or is the align time so slow? (never flown a freighter before)


Nope, based on autopilot, you cannot go from jita to amarr or dodixie in high sec without going through niarja or uedama. Those two choke-points control all trade into caldari high sec. You lock down these two systems, you basically have cut off caldari high sec from all other faction high sec. Try it.

It's a smarter version of the jita interdiction, and a lot more profitable.


People could deal with the interdiction by passing in convoy at randomly choosen time. If 10 freighter show up at the same place, it require about 60 gankers to be there at the right time. You dvide the loss among the fellow convoy member and more stuff ends up passing than if people all go one after the other. Too bad asking most high seccers to work together insetad of all doing thier own little stuff won't ever work...


Men on the internet turtling up (removed) to increase odds of survival


I lol'd nice description of Eve member base in general.

no more games... it's real this time!!!