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Goons freighter killing spree in Uedama

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The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-10-03 20:40:35 UTC
http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=10&y=2012&view=kills&scl_id=500

Top 4 out of 5 largest capital kills by the same team of goons in Uedama

Goons dont need tech, they got a steady supply of isk right here.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-10-03 20:55:48 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=10&y=2012&view=kills&scl_id=500

Top 4 out of 5 largest capital kills by the same team of goons in Uedama

Goons dont need tech, they got a steady supply of isk right here.


When you break nullsec income and leave it in its sad pitiful state we might have to forcefully extract income from highsec.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-10-03 21:01:47 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=home&m=10&y=2012&view=kills&scl_id=500

Top 4 out of 5 largest capital kills by the same team of goons in Uedama


Surely this has nothing to do with the 'Fall Lull' and being the 3rd day of the month. Roll
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2012-10-03 21:08:42 UTC
Posting in 'Goons ganking freighters" thread #whothef**kcaresanyways

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2012-10-03 21:12:21 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Posting in 'Goons ganking freighters" thread #whothef**kcaresanyways


At least 4 freighter pilots.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#6 - 2012-10-03 22:23:15 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Posting in 'Goons ganking freighters" thread #whothef**kcaresanyways


At least 4 freighter pilots.



Touché, on the good side none of my freighters been ganked.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2012-10-03 22:25:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
lanyaie wrote:
Touché, on the good side none of my freighters been ganked.


See- there's two options.

The Smart Way- Carry less than ~10b, that involves your freighter not dying.

The Wrong Way- Carry more than ~10b that one that involves your freighter dying.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#8 - 2012-10-03 22:27:20 UTC
That implies that I use a freighter that isn't double wrapped :p
with my webbing alt and scout.


I don't even care about what I carry I just make sure I always use those 2

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Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#9 - 2012-10-03 22:32:20 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Posting in 'Goons ganking freighters" thread #whothef**kcaresanyways


At least 4 freighter pilots.


Its ok, Freighter pilots arent people anyways.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?

Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-10-03 22:33:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its ok, Freighter pilots arent people anyways.


Neither are NPC alts.

For what it's worth I imagine every ganked freighter is something like this
The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-10-03 22:47:09 UTC
Xolve wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Touché, on the good side none of my freighters been ganked.


See- there's two options.

The Smart Way- Carry less than ~5b, that involves your freighter not dying.

The Wrong Way- Carry more than ~5b that one that involves your freighter dying.



From the killmails, it looks like roughly 10 brutix battlecruisers can take down a freighter. Assuming a 60 mil tech 2 gank-fit for each brutix, that means any freighter above 1 bil is potentially profitable, especially after the massive hauls you guys have been having.

I always assumed freighters were not as squishy as they look on the Uedama kill list
Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-10-03 22:52:42 UTC
The Chronophage wrote:

From the killmails, it looks like roughly 10 brutix battlecruisers can take down a freighter. Assuming a 60 mil tech 2 gank-fit for each brutix, that means any freighter above 1 bil is potentially profitable, especially after the massive hauls you guys have been having.

I always assumed freighters were not as squishy as they look on the Uedama kill list


The list of the people on the killmail is close to half (rounded up) of the number of people participating in the gank- Leave it to those pesky Goons to theorycraft ways to do 'things' more efficiently.
Powers Sa
#13 - 2012-10-03 23:35:58 UTC
I wouldn't listen to Xolve since he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He just joined miniluv last week I think.
You can carry whatever you want, you just need to double wrap/freight&wrap. It is really that simple.

Our targets vary based on the dps comp costs. So an arbitrary "5bil" number isn't really accurate. The average of target we try to hit is anything over 10bil really. If it gets dry, then we start dipping lower.


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The Chronophage
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-10-03 23:45:21 UTC
How low can you dip? It's more the number of ships needed for the gank that interest me, rather than the value of your target. If Xolve is right, the total damage on the killmail should be less than 100% because gankers are unaccounted for. If it is 100% from everyone on the killmail, then the implication is that even 1 bil is still a good gamble for a gank.

Why the hell does Eve-kill have to die now?
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#15 - 2012-10-03 23:55:21 UTC
Why won't anyone gank my freighter carrying seventy two exotic dancers, Ectoplasm, and an Admiral General Aladeen corpse?!?

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-10-04 00:54:56 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Why won't anyone gank my freighter carrying seventy two exotic dancers, Ectoplasm, and an Admiral General Aladeen corpse?!?


Is this before or after the good general had that new beard glued to his face, this is important?

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Powers Sa
#17 - 2012-10-04 01:54:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Powers Sa
The Chronophage wrote:
How low can you dip? It's more the number of ships needed for the gank that interest me, rather than the value of your target. If Xolve is right, the total damage on the killmail should be less than 100% because gankers are unaccounted for. If it is 100% from everyone on the killmail, then the implication is that even 1 bil is still a good gamble for a gank.

Why the hell does Eve-kill have to die now?

Technically you just break even at that point. You have to plan for general lack of drops. Terrible drops are 60-75% of the time. Sometimes we get ultra lucky. We've killed 139 freighters and 5 jump freighters. Its a numers and probability game. We occasionally flub ganks where the DPS doesn't add up, but its very rare. Generally speaking you need get on the test server, and test How much DPS you need before concord shows up. I could tell you, but that would cheapen the sheer joy felt from that first gank with your own team.

Anyone can do this. You just need 2bil seed (that's what we started with) money from your crew, excellent gunnery skills, and a little bit of initial luck. If you want to pick a .5 like keberz, niarja, balle, hek, aufay, du annes, you could do this all yourself.

I'll even give you a tool for appraising scans that we used at the very start (we now have a much better one): http://sudorandom.com/cargoscanner

Please figure out how to do this on your own, and join in on the party. It really is loads of fun.

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Xolve
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#18 - 2012-10-04 02:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Xolve
Powers Sa wrote:
I wouldn't listen to Xolve since he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. He just joined miniluv last week I think.


Not based on MiniLuv space-friend, but most ganking outfits in general.

Typically if CostofCarge > CostofGank, Gank. 5b was an arbitrary number that was used as an example.

The Chronophage wrote:
How low can you dip? It's more the number of ships needed for the gank that interest me, rather than the value of your target. If Xolve is right, the total damage on the killmail should be less than 100% because gankers are unaccounted for.


You missed the point, I'm saying the preparation for the gank took more than just the people that shot the freighter.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-10-04 03:31:17 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its ok, Freighter pilots arent people anyways.


Neither are NPC alts.

For what it's worth I imagine every ganked freighter is something like this


Was that the "MY PRIDE AND JOY" guy? Because holy crap was he attached to his spaceship.
Kr0nicz187 BUKBUK
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-10-04 04:17:14 UTC
Xolve wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Its ok, Freighter pilots arent people anyways.


Neither are NPC alts.

For what it's worth I imagine every ganked freighter is something like this


omg I enjoyed that very much good sir

MoA

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