Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Faction warfare I would call the frig farming grounds. You should have to destroy all the ships in each plex before its completed so that way noobships cant earn millions of LP. All the LP flooding from faction warfare pretty much killed all mission LP stores, remove the tier booster system and reset LP prices back to normal. I also think more LP for ship kills would help to increase PvP. But please make it so a cruiser has to complete a cruiser size plex, a battle cruiser for the majors, and a battleship for the unrestricted majors.

Obviously the Incursus needs a nerf, right?

They are in militia just not one of the locals .. CCP still haven't managed to make the ally militias show as such in local channel.

Another argument against cross-faction plexing: It removes a major balancing tool as there is no consequence to steamrolling at home as one can merely send excess farm hands abroad to rake in the cash.
Success ought to be a double edged sword, once combat operations are completed, principal income should come from the newly acquired territories thus emphasizing defense.

That is unless the bi-annual flip of entire regions rather than a continual tug-o-war is the desired goal.

The whine is strong with this one.

Isn't that essentially what is planned? Timer stopping when NPCs are present?

Will cut down on the solo-alt farming but if payouts remain at the same levels I doubt we'll see much of a decrease as it is a simple matter of adding one DPS alt per plex, especially considering the plans for allowing all cruiser in mediums and what not .. farming will be easier (T2 ships vs. rats balanced against T1) but more expensive to start up and may (or may not) require a second account.

Worst case: We'll see a surge in bots. Currently no point in using them as an ab frig can be left largely unattended, but when it becomes the equivalent of clearing a mission room/complex we'll probably see bots taking over .. hope Screegs is ready for it
Best case: Payouts are reduced to a point where dual-boxing is not profitable enough, forcing farm hands to seek employment elsewhere.

PS: Above dependent on defensive plexing NOT getting much of anything and bleed rates changes axed .. were that to happen then all that is accomplished is the relocation of orbit alts making both front lines effectively dead as no system will change hands ever again barring a staggering undertaking by one side or another .. just the thought of chasing stab-alts around for a week per system makes me cringe.

Which is why diagonal plexing should probably end as well. As said, there should be a consequence for winning the war, and lack of offensive plexing sites is just that. Being able to just run to the other warzone should never be the answer.

When framed in the context of helping the underdog against a dominant entity, it sounds really nice.

A lot of arguement for rewarding diagonal plexing is that it allows the underdog on one side of a conflict to come back from allied help, so it serves as a check and balance against total dominance.

The reality is, it's not a check and balance at all and the underdog term is relative. Saving one underdog at the cost of creating different one doesn't mean much. In fact, it just means that whatever pair of friendly militias has more 'net' dominance will be able to dominate the warzone as a whole.

Allied plexing is probably the biggest reason we have seen as much farming as we have. Instead of farmers diminishing once one side loses their space, they move onto the opposite warzone and keep farming. I think the concept of having a friendly militia being able to help is cool, but it creates too much of a PVE farming metagame in the meantime.

I wouldn't suggest removing it completely, but the 1:1 parity in terms of rewards could be adjusted.

cross militia plexing is fine , all ccp has to do is to remove standing plexing.

There was time when caldari had all systems, similar may happen also in the future, there has to be something to do after that also.

How come we have plexes anyway, if FW is such a pvp centric feature how come the primary way of advancement is pve. The system for conquering systems should be reworked and LP should be dolled out in large chunks if you conquer a system. Maybe the rewards for killing enemy militia members should be increased, then after someone has died they will not be worth any LP when killed again for a set period of time.

Your tinfoil is weak. Look at the timeline and the way it was pushed through, it screams to the heavens that it was done solely to satisfy null's craving for cheap affordable bling.
I do not know of a single PvP'er, from before CCP decided to devalue the LP completely, who could not make ends meet by doing a single mission per day .. one mission gave you 2 navy frigates for 5-6 minutes work. And with the lopsided timezones there were oodles of time in which PvP was suicidal so grinding the grind when otherwise 'docked' was pretty much the way to go.

If the goal was to throw active FW PvP'ers a bone and increase plexing activity then they would have system occupancy matter and given LP-for-Kills in plexes a massive modifier .. neither happened despite we hapless few's best attempts at waving the bulls in Iceland off.

System already assigns a value to killing folk, use that to determine what is available in the store .. ex. you get 1k LP for killing John Doe and provided you have the LP in the bank you can now 'redeem' 5k LP in the store regardless of where they from.

But .. someone (not naming he who should not be named for fear of reprisals from ISD) at CCP wants carebears/PvE players to be able to do their thing without ever firing a shot at another person as he does not believe it is CCP's place to say how the game is to be played *sigh* .. makes all kinds of sense and has loads of real world examples to draw from: All warzones throughout history has been swamped in merchants, livestock herders, farmers and artisans to such an extent that military forces can't fire a single round without hitting one

In Short: The farm is here to stay due to null pressure and weak minded yes men, best we can hope for is meaningful mechanics to increase the pew .. should be doable as it has been almost entirely decoupled from the farm now. Eve/CCP is trying to prove that Love and Hate can co-exist within the same heart!

PS: Can we please get the ally militias to show appropriate colours in local .. it cannot be that damn hard to do. Freaks me out when plexes vanish with nothing but neutrals around .. hahahahaha.