EVE General Discussion

people say it's high sec peoples fault for not voting but that is an uneducated statement and naive, in that the alliance blocks have multiple accounts, that they afford by being some of the older players with most isk. they use these multiple accounts and isk they have in game to rig elections. There is a reason there is an alliance called "your vote doesn't count" I'm all for goons high sec ganking characters having a say in the discussion but my point is that there is no discussion right now. It's goons and their alts and allies yelling over the top of everyone else. "NO this is the way it has to be!"

And the one mechinism for players to be heard directly by ccp (CSM) is all null sec alliance members and one wh member.. which I'm sure does not represent the overall player base. I don't know the numbers but i highly doube 90% of people live in null sec.

I propose that ccp make it so that there are allotted positions for the various things in eve. Null, fw, high sec, pirating, ect ect.. and ccp should monitor who is linked to theses accounts so that goons cant just take one of their members other accounts and have it falsely represent a portion of the game they don't care about.

Also to say that null people have more invested in game is a bad argument. Why should my subscription be worth any less.. I have to actually pay for mine because i'm not in a null sec allinace with hundreds of trillions of iks so taht i can just buy plex with my account. New players and high sec care bears that enjoy that part of the game should receive a voice.

And frankly, all the null sec zealots are correct on this one. The high sec group, while being the largest demographic by an enormous margin, is not organized at all.

And given that such a small percentage of high sec even bothers to read the forums it is pretty much pointless,especially given the dictatorships that make up the goons, test, PL, -A-, etc have the ability to marshall their voters so, so much easier than high sec.

Further, it is abundantly clear through CCP's actions (destruction of meta 0 items in missions, destruction of incursions, destruction of datacore farming, gloating about burn Jita and Hulkageddon and using them as marketing tools, now the destruction of drones in high sec missioning) that CCP has a significant element within that sympathize with the null sec zealots.

Within 4 more more releases (2 years), high sec will not exist if the zealots have their way, inside and outside of CCP.
The only thing that will stop them is the subscription numbers. If the subs drop too much, then the null sec zealots might be forced to stop their unrelenting attack on high sec. Otherwise, the game in high sec will be unrecognizable within 2 years.

I now await the cheering from the null sec propaganda team stating "it can't happen fast enough".

The bottom line is that the null sec zealots can't conquer high sec under the current game mechanics, hence their pathological need to wipe out the current mechanics and replace them with mechanics that they want, ones that allow them to subjugate EVERY Eve player.

Some high-quality tinfoil right there. Puff, puff, give, man!

When a game changes so much you do not have fun you leave, I remember when WoW started to ruin their game, I went to my account, i canced it and have never went back. If EVE changes so much that the vast majority of people who play in high sec no longer have the fun they want to have they will leave in droves, I really have a feeling CCP undserstands this, just because they come to forums and whine, does not mean CCP will do what they ask. :) You should really relax man, at the end of the day it is still just a game.

No, it really isn't.

If you want more “highsec reps” in the CSM, then that's what you have to do because that's what it takes. The only question is why do you need more than you already have? What issues are being missed with the current representation?

Yep, it's totally absurd to ask players from highsec to organize themselves in a multiplayer game...


And, if CCP introduced the "highsec-candidate" position, how many do you think are going to vote James315 and how many some other scrub that no one knows about. He's as much of a valid highsec player as everyone else, so there is no way you could stop his election.

So why didn't the 80% of the population vote for a hisec one?

I live in hisec and voted for one the current ones, he seems to have served my interests as a hisec player just fine so far.

Thread of tinfoil. I say, you have all the tools you need. It's just the effort you lack.

Again, it's hard to organize when you have no assurances of the candidates allegiance. If null alliance guy runs then you can be sure he will voice your opinion. If random high sec guy runs you have no idea about his allegiances or if he is just a goon alt. Thats why it's hard for high sec members to get behind a candidate. There is no way to check if that character is just a rich goon player with 10 accounts.

There's a vast number of old guard players who've been living in highsec mining and missioning and trading away for years and years.

The problem with highsec is that the players who live there are so thoroughly mollycoddled by CONCORD and the comforts of Empire that it encourages an insular and narrow playstyle which doesn't translate well to the requirements of CSM campaigning or the responsibilities of office. That's why we tend to find that the most effective CSMs come from 0.0, whereas highsec CSMs are mostly ineffective and anonymous grey suits, nakedly self-serving, and/or batshit insane.

If you want highsec CSMs, change highsec.