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Is there no CSM rep for high sec?

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D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#1 - 2012-10-03 18:27:33 UTC
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#2 - 2012-10-03 18:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: lanyaie
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.



You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.

Wait basically what do goons have to do with everything? Is that the best reason? if you look at the statistics you basically see more people live in highsec, SO if all those were to participate within the community and vote highsec CSM'S would Always make sure they get a seat as CSM all it requires is efforts but as seen with the tengu and drake nerf whining+Finding ways to defend yourself, you guys don't like putting effort into something.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-10-03 18:29:37 UTC
99% of the things that affect nullsec and lowsec in a positive way will also be beneficial to highsec players
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#4 - 2012-10-03 18:29:58 UTC
Not sure if making actual commentary on Eve politics, or buttraging over freighter loss....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#5 - 2012-10-03 18:31:10 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.



You just lost a freighter I assume?
Also nothing is stopping you from becoming CSM for highsec or for getting someone to become CSM for highsec.


omg ::effort:: \

Someone should obviously just do that for high sec without anyone in high sec having to lift a finger. Hell the protection in high sec is automated, why not the political representation?
Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-10-03 18:31:25 UTC
I have seen many Threats like this.

I will run for HIGHSEC in CSM come next elections.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-10-03 18:33:15 UTC
Turns out, people who only live in highsec don't know all that much about the game as a whole and dont get the votes because of it.
Jim Era
#8 - 2012-10-03 18:35:05 UTC
Jim Era for CSM.

Wat™
D'Om K'vash
Dead's Prostitutes
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-10-03 18:36:45 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Om K'vash
more eve politics and that there is no representative for high sec. The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic and has no one to argue this point for the eve players who think so. It's only represented by the gankers. I'm saying that the richest players in eve are allowed to prey on the poorest and newest, and are allowed to set the rules without resistance.

Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement and probably comes from a goon. The few should not be allowed to control the many and the weakest and poorest of eve players should have representation. Instead of being scoffed at when they make their points by the richest and oldest of the community who like a particular part of the game.

People that enjoy high sec and what it has to offer should be allowed to enjoy that part of the game and have representation to say what they would like changed.

Also you say nothing stops you.. well the problem is yah when the few in null sec have thousand man alliances and the isk to have 10 accounts so that they can throw infinite votes at their candidates. Then yah there is a barrier for newer less rich players to get into csm.
Adi Adas
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2012-10-03 18:38:48 UTC
Well, everyone gets a vote... Maybe its because highsec carebears didnt vote last time that its all nullsec people winning the seats?
Velicitia
XS Tech
#11 - 2012-10-03 18:40:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
step 1:
get a hisec block of players to get behind one (1) candidate (or few enough that they have a chance of winning)

Since that'll never happen (you have the miner supporter, the industrial supporter, the newb supporter, the ganker, some other interest group, etc) ... hisec will never have a representative -> it's far too fractured.

NULLSEC on the other hand has blocks of players (see: CFC with tens of thousands apparently) all voting for their friend (e.g. Mittens) ... or they don't bother with the petty squabble of "She's in IT" or "He's in PL" or other bullshit, and vote for the person they think will actually work for whatever platform is needed. Note that the vast majority of the nullsec platform is "make sov grind suck less" and "make PvP more fun" ... you know, the important EvE things... Blink


D'Om K'vash wrote:

Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement ...


Actually, this is very true -- get the nullsec people less bored with what's available to them in nullsec, and they leave hisec for the riches out there ... so, fewer people doing stuff like Burn Jita (which was pretty funny, TBH) since they're focused on their stuff in null. Not to mention that once you get null stable, there's an influx of highend mins.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-10-03 18:40:36 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

Maybe because the majority of hisec players doesn't really care about Eve or what's the future of Eve going to be? hence the lack of support or even candidates. CCP did nothing to prevent hisec players to take a seat in the CSM, it's the players fault for not doing so.

Sorry about the freighter loss bro, but this is Eve, random things happens sometimes for no reason or profit or just for the lulz. DWI.

"I'd rather have other players get shot by other players than not interacting with others" -CCP Soundwave
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#13 - 2012-10-03 18:41:09 UTC
Hmmm... Highsec could use some representation on the CSM, as long as it's the right person for the job. Smile

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Mai Khumm
172.0.0.1
#14 - 2012-10-03 18:42:07 UTC
There will never be a high sec CSM member. When someone from high sec runs for CSM, null sec makes fun of them...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#15 - 2012-10-03 18:42:25 UTC
D'Om K'vash wrote:
more eve politics and that there is no representative for high sec. The 15minute aggression timer is a flawed mechanic and has no one to argue this point for the eve players who think so. It's only represented by the gankers. I'm saying that the richest players in eve are allowed to prey on the poorest and newest, and are allowed to set the rules without resistance.

Also "whats good for null and low is good for high sec" is a very funny statement and probably comes from a goon. The few should not be allowed to control the many and the weakest and poorest of eve players should have representation. Instead of being scoffed at when they make their points by the richest and oldest of the community who like a particular part of the game.

People that enjoy high sec and what it has to offer should be allowed to enjoy that part of the game and have representation to say what they would like changed.

Also you say nothing stops you.. well the problem is yah when the few in null sec have thousand man alliances and the isk to have 10 accounts so that they can throw infinite votes at their candidates. Then yah there is a barrier for newer less rich players to get into csm.


Goons make up 1% of the population. Tell us more about how we out vote everyone in highsec.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#16 - 2012-10-03 18:43:27 UTC
Mai Khumm wrote:
There will never be a high sec CSM member. When someone from high sec runs for CSM, null sec makes fun of them...


The has been high sec CSM before. I hear they threw a spoon at someone that didn't agree with them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#17 - 2012-10-03 18:49:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Yes there are. Two, in fact.

Seeing as how CSM usually has numerous “highsec” reps, this should come as no surprise.

Oh, and…
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what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.
No.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#18 - 2012-10-03 18:49:34 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
D'Om K'vash wrote:
I'm going through list of csm members and all i see is null sec.. null sec.. null sec.. worm hole.. null sec.. i mean jesus christ the keys to the asylum have been handed to the inmates. what is it 20% of all players live in null and they are 80%of the eve community representation.. ******* awesome ccp. No wonder there is a 15minute aggression timer for a ship getting pointed. Dull sec goons put it there so they can make billions ganking freighters with their bump machariels and 2 day condors points to get aggression. What a joke.

Maybe because the majority of hisec players doesn't really care about Eve or what's the future of Eve going to be? hence the lack of support or even candidates. CCP did nothing to prevent hisec players to take a seat in the CSM, it's the players fault for not doing so.

Sorry about the freighter loss bro, but this is Eve, random things happens sometimes for no reason or profit or just for the lulz. DWI.



Well said.

I don't know this for sure so let me say I'm speculating up front, but I simpyl think the average hi-sec player doesn't have as much of a stake in the game.

The null sec player has his (Alliance) "name on the map" so to speak, probably puts in a lot of hours playing the game and is more emotionally invested in the game. The low sec and WH players also have to put a lot of time and effort in.

SOME high people spend a lot fo time doing what they do, but most of them probably log on just long enough to run incursions or misions for maybe an hour, or set their ship up to afk autopilot somewhere before bed ect ect.

They are not invested din the game, they probably play other non-eve games more often that low, null or WH players do. And for some, they probably wouldn't care much if CCP shut down tommorow and EVE died, they'd just find something else to do. for people like me, EVE dying would be followed by a period of actual mourning lol.

It's an Election year in America, and i just read a story the other day about how rich people were so much more likely to vote than poor people, mainly because rich people feel like they have something to lose. High Sec players just don't have much to lose, so not much voting.
Alexa Coates
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-10-03 19:00:52 UTC
I'm going to run for CSM next time around, and i'm virtually highsec only. so... VOTE FOR ME!

That's a Templar, an Amarr fighter used by carriers.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#20 - 2012-10-03 19:02:34 UTC
Jim Era wrote:
Jim Era for CSM.


You have my vote sir, just for the laughs of reading the CSM minutes.

When asked about how we should deal with highsec, Jim Era stands up and says "Wat".

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
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