EVE General Discussion

As a wormhole resident, we often gank targets running anomalies. As soon as another pilot lands in the site, the sleepers switch to it almost straight away. Majority of the time we have to be sneaky and wait until the sites on an easier wave before we can attack.

New changes. Learn to adapt. Otherwise, you will not survive in EVE in the long run.

oh gnoes! you have to fly a tanked ship! the horror!

Must be nice to be able to sit and wait for an opportune moment to attack without some sort of easily accessible intel channel letting you know exactly who is nearby.

Hunting in W-Space is very different to K-Space, so please stop drawing false parallels and misleading people.

So what you're saying is, when faced with certain death, you would immediately switch to the new, objectively weaker target if one appeared, and help the enemy who is about to finish you off kill the new challenger? You would not instead take your chances with the third party, and work together with him at least until your current threat is eliminated, even if you know that third party is hostile to you? Am I reading that right?

I tried using assault frigs instead of stealth bombers, it doesn't work. You don't have enough DPS to break the ratters tank, and your ability to land a point is pathetic due to the 5 second decelerate from warp combined with a relatively short point and slow speed.

Recon ships are not low SP.

The fallacy is your straw man here.

I didn't say it was a good change because you could adapt to it. I said it is a good change. And I said that one can adapt to it.



Now wait, you claim there will be unintended consequences - implying bad ones presumably - and you also claim PvE will get easier. So the worst that can happen is that something will get too easy? Or are you conceding that some content is going to get harder?

If the former, I'm not sure all the PvE content consumers here will agree with you. And if it's the latter, well, then your whole point about PvE getting easier is moot.

The null anomalies, like incursions are a case in point. CCP made a change to something "to make things better" but that they didn't really understand, only to have to come back later and redo them, after chasing damn near every null sec ratter to high sec or wormholes.

I'm not against the change, NPCS in old content are boring. I against the way they are doing this thing, tacking on new AI to old content because it's too much work to do it right and redesign the old content to fit or just make new content and gradually phase out the old stuff.

What will happen is this will hit TQ, a fuss will ensue, all the people who thought this was such a great idea will make it a point to NOT come back and post that they were wrong about it, and CCP will have to spend time and money putting it back to damn near where they started from in the 1st place. It's just a dumb way to do things.

CCP chasing it's own tail, Benny Hill style.

Which is the exact same thing. You're using "adapt" as a crutch.

I already have adapted (as you can see from my posting counters to the new AI), that's not an issue, the issue is that it's a bad change because:

A- The thing they say they want to do ie make pve more engaging probably won't happen. FoxFour admits that people who don't use drones won't notice a difference

B- It invites unintended consequences that affects people not even closely related to the people ccp wants this change to affect (in other words, instead of making it more engaging for PVE'rs, it makes it harder for PVP'rs)

C- It makes it easier in some ways to make isk (I'll be able to put out more dps when I triple box Battleships in anoms because now I can manipulate threat management and use drones) in an economy that doesn't need more isk.

And more that I'm too lazy to type right now.

And yet people like you call it a good change on the sole idea that some stealthbomber dude won't get easy kills?

This is why bad things make it into the game, because too many of it's players are short-sighted.





Both, high end DEDs (like Blood Raider Naval Shipyard), all of which were written and designed under the old/current NPC AI scheme could become impossoble sure. But most missions and anomalies ect ect will simply become as "gameable" as incursions are now, while adding extra safety for ratters....IN NULL SEC......



You simply don't understand what's being discussed then.

That has nothing to do with what i'm talking about. The change CCP is making here won't end the gamer, I'm not predicting megahelldeath if they do it.

I'm saying it's totally wrong headed. They have examples of how to do it right (ie incursions and wormholes, content designed with better AI i mind), but for some reason now that want to do it wrong (tack new AI onto old content not designed for it, and in a way that invites some really bad unintended consequences.... that I intend to exploit like a mofo till they fix it.......)

While I enjoy pvp and have a toon in a null sec alliance for that purpose, I primarily consider myself an "explorer". That just means I Love bearing, and to be honest, this change would be a serious boon to me.

But my own narrow personal interests are secondary to the health and well being of the game, and I'm all for GOOD change to this game.

This isn't one of them , it likely won't do what they (CCP) think it will, and could hurt other areas of the game as well, forcing a company i respect (and that needs it's money) to spend money fixing things they could have just done right the 1st time In a game I love.

Is any of this hard to understand?

Yes, let's clearly ignore the fact that different ships have different roles and abilities, and that with the existence of whatever internet they have 20,000 years from now, that Guristas frigate cappin' probably knows what a Hound is and does.

I don't know what kind of FCs you've had in your EVE experience, but none of mine have ever prioritized a stealth bomber over a massive murderball of drones and death while leading a frigate gang.

Edit: Actually, you know what this proves? You have no comprehension of EVE combat mechanics, but still deem yourself fit to dictate development policy. What does that make you?