Player Features and Ideas Discussion

its like give the stabber a role that works properly this time... oh and then make the ruppy who already has a role as armour tanker better than the stabber as its role and lol at people who thought we would make the stabber a viable ship again... also maller is the only cruiser without drones... lol even the bb got some for some reason oh and one drone is pointless on a ship.

Omen doing more damage than rupture? What did you smoke?
Yeah all combat cruisers got increase in velocity and rupture is still faster.
Standard Rupture fit is 4 425mm ac T2, medíum energy neut, small energy neut 2, large shield ext, warp dis2, 10mn microwarp, tracking enhancer2, nanofiber2, 2gyrostab 2, damage control, field extender, thermal and em shield rigs.
Does 391fdmg at 26km with drones, 1741m/s and 19k ehp. 465dmg/s with Rep fleet phase plasma m at almost 18km.
NOW we can get rid of the small energy neut and get an invu field.... CCP are you crazy???
That thing is faster than any other T1 non faction cruiser (okay stabber is faster) and kills like hell PLUS tank????
Rofl.

I must display my disatisfaction over these changes.

@Mauler - So what we got here looks like a Prophocy with 2 less highs and no drones. Its not Bad but its not anything interestign to put it on par with the other Combat cruisers, likely still going to be bait or only sean with T1 logis. Not sure how to fix it tho other than givign it another turet, gimping its speed and just have it as a high damage "defence" platform. (at least give it more cap)

@ Moa - so Yay? we do more damamge but as a caldari ship still shield tank the same as the other cruisers? 4 mids is a caldari sin especialy on a blaster boat that almost requires you to have MWD, scram and web. not much is changing here. still to slow and not enough mids to get adiquate tank/tackle. (+1 mid or go home)

@ Vexor - Looks great, but sadly not in a good way, its now going to be a mini Gila, it can fit a decent shield tank with plenty of room for speed and drone damage mods, or just shield gank bralwer it up. wont see many of these armor tanked lol. (give it 100 band with and 125 bay, lose another turet and that will make 4 sentury vexors something to play around with.)

@ Ruppy - LOL seriously LOL! you made a better Stabber than the stabber, is fast, has better slot layout and dose more damage, will be able to ift bigger guns easyer AND has room for an aditional TE, so stabbers fall off bonus wont be an advantage, and oh look it gets the one thing you ddin't give the stabber. darn drones! .... (Honestly drop the drones from the stabber all together and give it 5 turrets, or there will be no reason to fly the stabber beside alittle speed)

Honestly you guys buffed things nicely, but you didnt change the balance of the cruiser class at all. Amarr will still never be used besides arbitrator, Ruppy will still outclass Stabber and most cruisers in general. Moa will still blow, guess T1 logis will be something to look forward to. (did make the thorax, carical, vexor, and Belicose funner tho, 1/2 right isent terrible i guess.)

TLDR: give more love to amarr and the Moa, Make the stabber not a crappy ruppy.

Dear Mr. Fozzie,

Why those mixed highslots?
Especially aiming at the moa, the rupture (and the stabber). They all provide slots for missile launchers, even though over the last decade, that slot has been used for NOS/neuts/smartbombs exclusively. Maybe with the exception of the claymore/cyclone, but wait -- ASB makes you use neuts again.
So currently, I see those sweet cruisers and I like them a lot. Especially the maller. Was hoping that you would overcome some unnecessities, like those mixed turret/launchers, but hey - let's enjoy them being an unused relict of the past for a bit more. (Or just think of them as the appendix that still wasn't cut out)

And why are you giving the rupture that many drones, it looks like the slightly slower, but incredibly much better stabber when not in superdeep falloff -- with drones, even there.
In addition, the midslot overdose of the current iteration really smells like shieldtanking all the ships (but amarr). Especially given that shieldtanking is (atm) the superior way of tanking for solo and large fleets (small engagements aside), this really looks weird.


(my impression of the T1 revamp:
new cruiser fits now look like this
(high-slots)
MWD, long point, 2 LSE
2 damage mods, 2 TEs, DCU/nano

more or less matching for 6 of 8 combat/attack-cruiser)

These look pretty disappointing.

I like moas currently. I've used them a lot. I think they're alright, but don't work just because t1 cruisers aren't popular gang ships, and this is definitely a gang ship. They currently have a problem with cap, inflexibility with the mids (you need 2 slots of tank, so you really have no choice with the other 2 slots), and the fitting is pretty annoying. All these problems remain with this new thing. Like the cormorant: long range ships really have no use for utility highslots, it's such a waste. I don't want an unbonused heavy launcher, even if it was possible to fit one. If I'm at the ranges I plan to be at (20km), I have no use for nos/neut. Give 5th mid and some powergrid, basically. I can deal with the horrible cap problems.

Maller is even worse than I expected since you cut its slots and gave it no drones or anything. So you fixed the PG problem slightly, but it still has a CPU problem. The 25% damage bonus is nice, except the damage is still really bad, and you may have just traded bad damage for bad cap. I don't think I'd want a cruiser that effectively only has 2 midslots. I think this may be a laser problem, not a maller problem, but even if you fix lasers this is still going to be a pretty poor ship, just like the punisher, tormentor and planned omen. I'm pretty sure I'm not making this up - nobody flies punishers and tormentors, because they are rubbish.

I was expecting some sort of boost to the vexor's defenses beyond tiericiding its hitpoints and giving it the same slots as a thorax. I was also expecting a change to its drone bandwidth and possibly bay. You talk about how well drones project damage, and even though that's actually wrong when you're using the correct size, it's really even more wrong when you're using heavy drones. They are slower than a drake, and everyone explodes them instantly. It's pretty terrible. Totally unsuitable weapon for a cruiser. How about 50 bandwidth and a bigger damage bonus, or one specifically for meds? Having to use this wonky 2h/2m/1l loadout is also really irritating for having spares, though the vexor has no bay for spares anyway. Its sig is strangely out of line as well. If you need another reason to do what I say, it's it's probably more annoying for new players to train for, because of heavy drone op.

Rupture, whatever. I expect it to be really obnoxious just because ACs and tracking enhancers are obnoxious. It's hard to see past that. Why is it so much easier to fit than other cruisers?

I was expecting to see some tank bonuses. I don't think adding 100-200 to the base hitpoints really makes any difference at all in the end setup, because there's so much plating and extending going on. These all seem to be based around buffer tanking as well, and for 3 of them if you're fitting them properly that's buffer armour. Buffer armour makes you far too slow, wrecks your agility and uses too much fitting, and in the case of small gang honour bros you have a problem with getting your HP back, which is really a seriously annoying problem if you're a pirate as well.
I guess active tanking would never work like on frigs, because you just can't mitigate damage in the same way in these. That sucks.

Anyway, I expect to see vast numbers of shield buffer/tracking enhancer plebs in ruptures, thoraxes and vexors, and probably the usual bads in blaster moas. Still going to advise all new amarr players to crosstrain asap if they want to do t1 frigs/cruisers.

all i have to say is that i love how you are sort of making the combat cruisers be mini versions of the tier 3 battleships, mini abaddon, mini maelstrom, mini rokh, mini dominix? when will we get a fix for poor hyperion and the Rokh could use a DPS bonus instead of the optimal one really.

The rokh is fine can be used as sniper or blaster boat with its range bonus its dps is nice also with blasters if you swapped it it would be too short range and without megas tracking bonus would struggle to apply it.

I think it should be the preferred option for all of them except the moa, but if it isn't, something is broken. If all that happens is that now people can fly 3 new superior variations on the LSE AC rupture, then these changes aren't very good.

BC's need there EHP decreased. Battle Cruisers are supposed to be high damage fast moving ships not High damage High HP ships.

I love the fact you are leaving drones out of this when the Rupture has them and the Omen does not. Add the Drones and look you are doing more damage at 20k. But then this breaks your argument. Give the Omen drones and I will be ok with what you are saying.