Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Because the Maller deserves more slots than any other T1 Cruiser?
To get an extra high or an extra mid, you have to give up a low: I don't think that's worth it.

I mean, if you are so desperate for a Nos, Web, Point on a Maller there is nothing stopping you from fitting that. Yeah you take a DPS hit to do that, but you don't actually have to fit the max amount of turrets. (Yes, acknowledge that for their benefit Nos have too high fitting; Nos do need a fix).

Or, you can fly it as a gang ship. Where, with other ships providing webs, it will do superbly.

Not every ship in the game is balanced as a "Solo"* ship. That does not mean that they're not balanced.The Arbi will do well as a solo ship for Amarr. The Omen will be worth flying. The Maller+Auguror combo is scary. Overall the Amarr cruiser line up works.

*By this I mean actually Solo, or in a very small gang where each ship must be capable of being flown independently.

Losing less than 4% of your DPS (0.25 turrets is 4% DPS of turret DPS) is not enough to justify gaining a Nos or a Neut. Particularly when "gaining a Nos" really means "not having to fit a Cap Booster in my mids".

Basically, you're after a ship that can do everything. This is boring ship design.

In the present iteration you need to choose. The Maller has the slots and fitting to allow you to make that choice. But you have to make a choice, it doesn't just hand it all to you on a platter. This is good ship design.

While loosing the dronebay I think they can balance it to have 1 extra slot. If the fitting is balanced ppl would have to sacrifice either tank or dps (or both) to actally benefit from it.

And I dont just have soloing in mind when I suggest it to have a extra utility high. Cap warfare is one of Amarr's traits so why should it be limited to only special ships? What we will end up is having Minmatar as the only race with utility highs on their combat (and attack) ships.

So when I think about a Maller fleet I imagine it as a slow and tanky fleet with damage projection to make up for the slow speed and neuting power to put pressure on anything that gets close. To me it seems like CCP are specializing t1 ships too much.

And what about spider tanking / RR gangs, is retribution the last nail in the coffin with the Support cruisers and ships without utility highs?

The Maller basically need either a fourth mid or a utility high.


It just doesn't have the cap to sustain the guns without either so its useless, And if you put on a booster now instead of a web it can't actually hit anything and were back to it being useless.


I know the idea was basically a mini abaddon but the idea sadly is faulty, it isn't a battleship and it doesn't have the slots to be able to pull it off..

2 minutes of cap with just guns/tackle running is pathetic, and worse, useless.

maybe they should increase the mallers drone bay to say 40 and then switch a high to utility

Or give the Maller more cap / cap regen to start?

2 minutes without factoring anyone else neuting, and (am I assuming correctly?) no prop running is indeed useless. Vs anything with a neut you would be looking at being capped out in less than 30 seconds, which would outright force cap batteries as a mandatory just to fly it... poor design.

the omen isn't really a strong brawler.. a 1600 omen loses to a 800 thorax if the fight starts at 0.

Making a t1 ship that only ever works in fleets is bad design imo as t1 ships are supposed to be more generalized.

If you think the Maller will be a strong brawler you are seriously underestimating 1. How bad the tracking is 2. how bad the cap is.

Any ship with even one neut will leave the maller helpless way before it can kill anything.

No i said a 1600 omen couldn't win a 800 thorax = a omen with 30k ehp can't win a thorax with 20k ehp

Hench not a strong brawler. I like the omen though, its good at softening stuff up with scroch before getting caught. The Maller however can't really do that since its slow..

I'm also quite sure that a Maller would lose to a shield rupture in a brawl at 0.. It wouldn't be able to keep its guns running even close to long enough to kill it..

Make up your mind. By the way, my plated Omen killed every single Thorax I fought so (including TD fits) I'm not really sure how you get this idea that a plated Omen cannot beat a Thorax. Admittedly, I never had a fight start at 0 but I would expect to lose.



I'm guessing in your mind the Maller is only fine when it beats every other cruiser and fit?

1. I did make up my mind, i said the same damn thing both times you're just to thick to understand it.

2. if you beat every thorax you fought they were bad (And seeing how its the test server thats really not surprising...) . The omen is quite decent but not good enough to win every time.

3. No the Maller needs to be a viable ship that doesn't cap out instantly when someone even THINKS about neuting it.


It was a arguement to his "omens are really good brawlers" thing. I'm not saying the omen isn't good, it is quite decent.. Its just not a good brawler.. .