Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Over all the changes seem good, more in line with the Combat Close range brawlers, just a few problems.

Maller: I was hoping the Maller would be put in line with the Sacrilege, now the HAMs are getting are getting a tiny buff, a HAM Maller Brawler would have been awesome, not sure why it gets the Cargo Bay upgrade either, doesn't really need such a massive cargo bay.

Also, why no drones? it might be because the Maller isn't losing any of its ridiculous tanking, so it might be some sort of compensation to make it more vulnerable to tacklers. I have to say again, was reaaaalllyyy hoping for a Missile Maller, now it looks like the Caracal and maybe the Bellicose will be the only cruisers spamming missiles out there.

Moa: Think that that either a high or a low should be dropped for a mid, Honestly the extra dps it might get from a launcher in the spare high is minimal when compared with extra tank or tackling ability. Also, fitting a full rack of Medium Hybrid Guns is still a little difficult with the Moa, would give it a tiny percent more in the way of PG and CPU.

Vexor: Haven't flown Gallente to much, so im not sure about this, Upped its tank by a fairly substatial amount, the extra mid, will allow people to shield tank a little more effectively, kiting vexors might be a thing...the drone bay is pretty ok by me, full flight of light, full flight of medium with some room for spares.

Rupture: Still great, the removal of the extra high slot will nerf it a little bit, which it kind of needed since it was basically one of the only cruisers out there.

This is more of a question for all of the cruisers that have the sort of haphazard weapons design where you have an almost full rack of one type of weapon(in this case Turrets) and a couple of a second weapon system(in this case two launcher slots) when it only has bonuses to one weapons system. For example, have you ever seen a turret on a Caracal? it has the slots for them but everybody always fits a full rack of Launchers because its the best fit. I can't remember ever seeing a rupture with launchers in its spare highs, most people fit a neuts, this goes even more since your dropping a high slot from the ruppie, now unless your planning on fitting a Rupture with only three turrets(Why the hell would you do that when it has a double bonus to Turret Damage, your basically dropping off your dps with pretty much no other gain whatsoever) your always going to have a full rack of the bonused weapons system no matter what, and the utility highs are almost never used for

The Moa and Maller are still quite poor, while the new Rupture is so fast I am skeptical that any other cruiser will be worth flying.

Why does the Moa have the same powergrid as the Vexor, despite the fact that the Moa is expected to fit more guns? Why does it have only four midslots? And why is the Rupture so fast? You recognize that you've made it faster than most of the "attack" cruisers, right? Was this deliberate?

indeed they have 12.5 ecm strength already so think mini falcons with that bonus.. lol that would bee funny to see in AT.

nothing cruiser sized of caldari will ever fit a medium neut

This is all.... Bah.

Simply compare the NEW Rupture to the new Omen.
Rupture with additional medium will have more tank is a LOT faster and has similar maybe even more firepower plus a neut.
Super job guys (caution: sarkasm is on)

Maller is still a completely joke. If I fit Blasters on it it will be a nice Brawler. Moa is a completely joke. And you now it.
Vexor.... well it is the pve boat as always.

So what do you propose us?
A big BUFF to the already almighty Rupture and laughable buffs to the other cruisers.
Are there so many Minmatar players you fear if they loose their winmatar status?

Why should I fly a new caracal, new omen or even a new kitey rail Thorax when Rupture is a LOT faster, has more tank with this new mid slot and same or even more firepower????
Yeah you will say use a maller then. LOL. Very funny. The lasers on the Maller will still s... and with Blasters it will get kited by the rupture. Hahaha.
Rupture vs Rail Moa? You know the outcome: Rupture under Moas guns= Moa dead. Blaster Moa? Gets kited by Rupture to hell.
And Vexor? Well Gallente would REALLY need some love. It is still the PVE boat as always.

And why do minmatar medium turrets kill frigs better than any other medium weapon which is considered to kill cruisers?
You will never get a frig Shot with Medium pulse lasers if it is under your guns. Trying this with a medium AC fitted ship= you die.
That is overkill.

a maller without neut, dronebay, range or tracking bonus is still the weakest cruiser of the four. Sure i would like to test it first before commenting but it still looks like the old brick to me - just a little bit easier to fitt.

+1 for the amount of posts CCP Fozzie, after the Summer of Silence its nice to see some activity for Eve. Dunno TBH how much I'll personally use these crusers though I pretty much skipped them when I first started Eve 2 years ago.
Are they meant now to be level 1-3 mission boats? TBH I doubt they'/ll see much action in NULL fleet doctorines when HACs, T3's & BS's are so much more powerfull. Its good newbies get some buffs though.

Great!

Thanks for not giving the vexor an active repper bonus, those always feel wasted.

Mad props for making the moa useful! I hope the Ferox will get the same treatment!

However, why did you remove utility high slots on the maller and the vexor? No love for NOS modules?

Can't really tell what to think about the ruppy, I don't know that ship at all.

My suggestion: replace all active tank boni (as in on all ships in the game) with either damage, range or passive resist boni. The latter apply to both active and passive tanking. Do I think about a +dmg +falloff brutix? Do I? :)

Wouldn't the rupture steal the spotlight from the Stabber with its 4 mids? I would love to see both ships viable and different.



I would rather see the Rupture being open to both shield and armor tanking rather than being shoehorned to an active shield tanked ship. Bonus for active tanking should be a niche role and I would prefer it to be an option for all ships rather than having a shiplineup which is perfectly matched for that type of tanking.

Also, Minmatar tank with speed and guns :)

btw when is all this stuff on a test server? i think the guy from pyfa requires a running server to grab all the specs for a new build