Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yeah and 501 with Blasters, and the fact that it can fit 2 LSE, and the fact that there's no such thing as damage rigs, or other reasons to fit it to a massive shield specific tank.

But then again, who wants a 45000+ EHP (60,000+ EHP with bonuses) boat that can do decent rail damage comparable to any other T1 cruiser or Solid CR damage when it can't fit a DCU... I mean WTF crack can I be smoking not fitting a DCU to every ******* ship in game.

I'm just curious what is the rationale behind not giving the Maller even a small drone bay. Even something like 15/15 would be a substantial improvement.

The biggest thing I worry about with the Maller as is, is that with only 5 highs and 5 turrets there is no open utility high for a neut, nor is their any drone bay to deal with frigates and I would think that 4 turrets in order to fit a neut would make the dps pretty poor, especially when compared to the rest of the ships in this list. The three mids with no laser cap use bonus feels like your mids are going to have to include a cap booster which doesn't leave much for speed/tackle. If you're not going to give the Maller a drone bay a 4th mid for a web would make a big difference. As much as the 4th mid makes me smile I feel a modest drone bay is a better solution.

It's nice that the Maller is no longer going to be a complete travesty serving as either obvious bait or nothing, but it feels like the bar has been raised and the Amarr still can't jump.

As of right now with all else being equal I feel like I could easily solo a competently fit Maller in an Incursus, the other 3 not so much.

Either dronebay or lose a low for a turret high to give it something to compete with other combat cruisers. 1600mm plate + ENAM + DCU II should still provide around 45k EHP using 2 HS + 6 turrets will give around 400dps with IN multi and 320 with Scorch @ 20km which is still lower than the other combat cruisers but has a niche in being all turret dps and good projection. Good tank/dps ratio too.

I honestly don't see ANY problem with this maller. It obviously sucks solo. period.

Aside from that, it will be a resist bonused cruiser hull, that costs something vaguely around 10mil and the people you'll find inside will most likely be greedy carebears or noobs. If you're lucky, they can use scorch.
And suddenly, you got the cruiser with the MOST AVERAGE dps out of the whole lineup, while maintaining the by far best tank. At least considering that 250 dps, which is easily archivable using a heat sink on this maller, at 20-25km is quite the most ideal thing you can have (since every brick of a brain on earth now knows: can point it? yes? shoot for optimal damage...)

In my humble opinion, this maller sketch is exactly what a T1 cruiser should stand for. Reliability + nobrainer to fly.

I think some people are really missing the whole point with the Maller. It has a 130 sig radius uses 5 laser turrets has good across the board resists and damage projection. And no drones.

Can I think of another ship that is like this. Wait oh the zealot.

Can't you see the design idea for the maller is AHAC zealot gang on a serious shoe string. Its not as good as the zealot but it can fight the same way. It has all the core requirements low sig high resists and adequate projection and moderate damage.

Its AHAC with training wheels basically because when you **** it up your going to lose very little, especially with the fact you can now use T1 Logi. Thats it thats the idea. A T1 version of a T2 fleet docterine.

Problem I have with swapping low for a high is that it makes it very top heavy, thus restricting options. Increase dps by increasing the damage bonus.

Hate the whole "buffer everything!" paradigm with a vengeance and hope beyond hope that active tanking will once again make a comeback through mechanic/module changes .. CCP tried to address the shield side with the ASB (albeit without adequate testing so by my reckoning I am not alone in my wish for more options.

For the record: Being all turret based and midslot deficient on top is not a niche and definitely not something to be desired (especially not slow tracking, low falloff lasers) as your target pool is minute compared to other ships. Without some sort of upside (dps, tracking, drones, midslots, speed, mass etc.) the prospects for a laser boat such as the Maller are very bleak indeed.

Equating Maller with the Zealot .. :notsureifserious:

Smidgen lighter, slower, half the range, worse tank, tighter fittings .. but you are right, they both lack drones so the comparison is of course valid
Would be sweet if it was actually given a range bonus, but then it would have either really atrocious dps or mediocre tanking capability as there are just not enough bonuses to go around.

FMP Maller fits aren't that bad in terms of a hp*dps score because they can fit a 1600mm plate, 2x heat sinks, DCU II, EANM II and AP II giving them ridiculous hitpoints. Trading the EANM for another heat sink gives them similar dps to a HPL fit while still having a sizable hitpoint advantage. The dps is still too low for a cruiser though imo.

HPL Maller fits are just bad. They don't have enough CPU for their lows.


An unorthodox solution could be the following:

-1 low, +1 high & turret hardpoint, an extra ~16.5% base armor, +40 CPU, +210 PG

Explanation:
1) the Adaptive Nano Plating II that pretty much everyone would otherwise fit is "baked into the hull". This prevents FMP fits that would now have spare CPU from replacing it with an EANM that would further increase their HP advantage over HPL fits.

2) To make up for the lack of drones and generally low dps, a sixth turret is added along with enough powergrid for another HPL. The FMP fit cannot really take advantage of the extra powergrid because a 800mm plate gives less hitpoints than a EANM II at this point.

The end result is FMP fits gaining 20% dps and the ability to fit their mids without problems (MWD, t2 disruptor). HPL fits gain 20% dps as well and increased hitpoints due to having enough CPU to fit good tanking mods (about 11% more hitpoints with my fits).

That's pretty much been the Gallente drone philosophy ever since the bandwidth introduction. Amarr get low band/big bays to focus on sustainability, and Gallente get high band/small bay to focus on damage. That's what they said when they made the changes. Of course it starts to break down when you look at the Ishtar and Domi. But Amarr don't have comparable ships in those classes, so hard to make a comparison.

Well, back in the days I had ALOT OF DREAMS. Like! A fleet of remote armor repairing frigates or a fleet of Retributions (pre - 2 mind slots) nanoing with Keres and of course after burning Mallers. Most of those had not been done @ the time and now I've done all of them PLUS ALOT MORE, but before I had a chance to do a MASSIVE MALLER fleet. Pandemic legion did it Months before I was able to.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zT4aLJbE7hc&hd=1 (Maller Fleet) Just skip to 4:23


Thing is the same concept as ahacs, but on the cheap and provided you have the right links and YES guardians or ONI in our case. It all works out. When I rolled out in a similar fleet is was with armor recons too, but yeah all the mallers had 2 tracking computers and an ab in the mids.


NOW I DREAM OF ARMOR RETRIBUTIONS AND GUARDIANS WITH BOOSTERS AND SH!T. I hope to do that one day.

EDIT; with these new tech 1 logistic ships in every class I think sh!t like that will be more common. Which isn't a good thing imo. To much logi being fielded now. WORSE PLAGUE DAN ECM OR TD's

This explains so many of your posts