EVE General Discussion

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=155029

"Can CCP reimburse skillpoints to people who have trained missiles?
In a MMO like Eve balance does change from time to time and skills will not be reimbursed unless their use is being removed from the game. If you believe that these changes make missiles useless then let us know why in as much detail as possible and if we agree the solution won't be to reimburse skills, it will be to adjust the proposal so that missiles are no longer made useless. Heavy missiles were the first medium weapon system I ever trained when I started playing Eve, and I have made excellent use of them through the years so I understand how good it feels to have skills invested in an extremely powerful weapon system. Most people who have been playing the game for a while can name a few times it has felt like their playstyle has been nerfed, because by definition the overpowered areas of the game tend to attract a lot of people. The four most heavily used medium weapons in the game are all Heavy Missile launcher variants, as well as seven of the top eleven. Whenever we need to change something this powerful it will always be painful because so many players will have done the smart thing and flocked to the best game mechanic. If it feels like CCP nerfs you a lot that's just a sign that you're doing it right and getting good at staying on top of the best trends so pat yourself on the back."

Having heard his alliance's FC in action, you're probably better recommending the opposite of this.

Who reads the EULA really when starting to play a game? Its like saying hey read ALL the terms and conditions when you sign up to a contract. You just dont.

However the EULA is basically 'we can do what we want when we want and theres nothing you can do about it'

@OP - The problem is the game is changing constantly and changes are made mostly with good intentions, and its until the whole community uses these changes for say around a year can the impact be truly seen. CCP then looks at whether this needs tweaking. It will always happen and thats fine. You have to remember you would of still trained missiles, because you need to train them to use them, you just need to adapt your gameplay to suit the new changes. You would be bored out of your skull otherwise if things just stayed the same year after year... wouldnt you. This doesnt affect your skills per say does it..its not taking anything away.

Wait, let's all train HAMS, until they get nerfed in the next patch after the winter release

No, they really shouldn't, because the best way to please people is to have a clear and consistent policy so you know what you get for your money.

There is no reason for them to reimburse skill points that everyone still can (and will) use just fine. Patches come and patches go and SP never become useless unless the functionality behind them is removed from the game... in which case they will indeed give your SP back. That hasn't happened for a couple of years now.

If you didn't want those SP, you shouldn't have trained them. Now that you have them, they work perfectly for the purpose you trained them.

Everyone who reads my posts (that's about 3 people, 2 of whom are my alts....) knows I'm concerned about the very high potential for unintended consequences with some of the things CCP wan'ts to change this go 'round.

But even still, it's not the end of the world and no need for skill reimbursements (not that they would anyway), for a couple of reasons.

Like with the AI changes, well, just look at incursions and how people use drones there, as it stands now the AI changes look to actually provide MORE ability to control aggro through manipulation of threat management (ie just put some ewar on your ship and turn on said ewar when drones take aggro, npcs will probably re-aggro your ship and leave drones alone for a while).

And with missiles, yea that's a heavy HML nerf (probably to be followed by drake and tengu nerfs), but it comes with magical buffs to tracking mods that partially compensate HMLs and make other missiles wtfpwn weapons.

Just like people figured out incursions and wormholes in a matter of days, so we will with these changes. I still object with changing to much to fast in a complex interconnected system, but it's not the end of the world either.

Edit: oh, I see they've dropped the tracking mod changes for not. Pity, that was my favorite part lol.

So when OP ragequits, can I have his stuff?

In that case can I have all my skill points opened up after 9 years of everything being nerfed


Tal

I disagree. Were that so then they wouldn't allow Attribute remaps either, yet they do. So if they are prepared to go that far, then perhaps they might consider going further.

Not the same thing. But I'll give you a 6.0 out of 10 for making a strawman's argument.

Want to try again?