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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Mokanor Lenak
Odd Fluffy Bunnies
#161 - 2012-10-04 06:24:19 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:

A correctly tanked exhumer was not profitable to gank. Well maybe during the lase hulkageddon when GSF was providing prizes for every 10 kills...


A correctly tanked exhumer before the patch only needed 1 extra 5m isk ship for a gank instead of 1 or 2.
Salvaging and modules dropping still made if profitable even without the goons offering ISK for kills.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#162 - 2012-10-04 06:25:57 UTC
Mokanor Lenak wrote:
A correctly tanked exhumer before the patch only needed 1 extra 5m isk ship for a gank instead of 1 or 2.
Salvaging and modules dropping still made if profitable even without the goons offering ISK for kills.


considering that there were hulk fits capable of tanking 6-7 catalysts in 0.5, well, it seems you're wrong

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#163 - 2012-10-04 06:31:52 UTC
Andski wrote:
if the price of tech was based solely on the cost of running a tower then it'd cost 5000 isk/unit

well, it doesn't


Well, do it.

After that you guys can offer 50M or 100M for every exhumer kill so gankers get their job back.

Problem solved!
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-10-04 06:33:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Well, do it.

After that you guys can offer 50M or 100M for every exhumer kill so gankers get their job back.

Problem solved!


yes let's sell tech at cost because that's how you do business, selling things at cost

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-10-04 06:40:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Andski wrote:
yes let's sell tech at cost because that's how you do business, selling things at cost


It worked last time. All gankers went crazy because someone threw carrots for them. Now all gankers feel they're entitled to profitable ganking.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#166 - 2012-10-04 06:50:49 UTC
baltec wrote:
...more waffle about TANKING to prevent the GANKING...


s'pose MinerMan tanks like you say he should. ganking still gonna be unprofitable.

what then? then he got too many slots?

so i'm guessing this entire "make my gank easy" charade is purely for educational purposes?

unless...

you displaying a new kind of stupid for telling miners to tank in a "i can't gank anymore sob" whiney thread.



"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
TharOkha
0asis Group
#167 - 2012-10-04 07:06:26 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
baltec1 wrote:

No, a well tanked barge was not profitable to kill.


Show me then killmails where were L4 mission runers (or freighters) ganked just for fun (with catalyst of course). You still dont see the problem. Exhumers were expensive paperboats... so "paper" that they were shot just for fun outside the stations, near the gates and in the fields, because gank was extremely cheap. You cannot gank nightmare or freighter in catalyst just for LOL because they have high base HP (unfitted) Exhumers had only hundreds of base HP. Now with standard HP (as any other ship in their class) they are still gankable and profitable, you just need to scan them and search for expensive fits. This was not about "they should tank it" problem. Problem was their base HP.

btw
I agree that they need some balancing, because we see macks and retrievers only. I mentioned this in other threads already.
1. Nerf yeld on macks/retrievers (or buff yeld on hulk/covetor)
2. Make ninja miner from skiff (could fit covops cloak)

But dont touch their HP. It would lead to another "shot your barge for lol" in cheap catalyst again. And we dont want that (if you claiming that you shot at them for profit (i have no problem with that)). But there are, and always will be "l33ters" that would shoot them just for fun and showing their killmails (and their l33t ego) to friends.

Quote:
Why are you defending something that hurts everyone?


When jump fuel costs went down, my profit went up... This can be applied on every aspect in EvE. Try to adapt to situation and make most of the situation Blink Dont stay on your only activity. Spread your activity.


Quote:
Cheap stuff means less profit.


If the prices are going down, sell all you assets and hoard isk on wallet. Wait till prices are down = Congrats. you are super rich.

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#168 - 2012-10-04 11:26:51 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Touval Lysander wrote:
baltec wrote:
...more waffle about TANKING to prevent the GANKING...


s'pose MinerMan tanks like you say he should. ganking still gonna be unprofitable.

what then? then he got too many slots?

so i'm guessing this entire "make my gank easy" charade is purely for educational purposes?

unless...

you displaying a new kind of stupid for telling miners to tank in a "i can't gank anymore sob" whiney thread.





Or maby, just maby, I like the fact that smart miners get the reward and stupid miners get punished. Just like everything else in this game.

TharOkha wrote:

When jump fuel costs went down, my profit went up... This can be applied on every aspect in EvE. Try to adapt to situation and make most of the situation Blink Dont stay on your only activity. Spread your activity.




This is good news for miners how?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#169 - 2012-10-04 11:35:43 UTC
TharOkha wrote:

You still dont see the problem. Exhumers were expensive paperboats... so "paper" that they were shot just for fun outside the stations, near the gates and in the fields, because gank was extremely cheap. You cannot gank nightmare or freighter in catalyst just for LOL because they have high base HP (unfitted) Exhumers had only hundreds of base HP. Now with standard HP (as any other ship in their class) they are still gankable and profitable, you just need to scan them and search for expensive fits. This was not about "they should tank it" problem. Problem was their base HP.


They were not killed for just fun they were killed because we were maining bilions in profit from mass ganking the stupids out there who fitted a very poor tank. Seriously how many times do you people need this explained to you?

Hulks were safe from 99% of ganks if the fitted a good tank and when I say good, I mean a tank that made them unprofitable to kill. These are the same daft pilots who put billions in untanked haulers and fit 40+ billion onto a lvl 4 mission boat. The problem with barges was never with their HP. It was the fact that only two of them were ever used and they suffered from fitting issues (not the hulk or skiff).
GetSirrus
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2012-10-04 12:01:04 UTC
Oh, gankers have been trying to drive Hulks out of hi-sec by killing them in numbers for how long? The chorus has been loud "tanking your exhumer will deter ganking". Well congratulate yourselves gankers, you won - hulks are an endangered species in hi-sec and miners are flying tanked. Mission Accomplished.

All that remains now is;

- CSM voting should be compulsory
- nerf L4
- reduce hisec rat bounties
- impose additional taxes on hi-sec player corporations

yea, that should end the whining.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#171 - 2012-10-04 12:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
GetSirrus wrote:
Oh, gankers have been trying to drive Hulks out of hi-sec by killing them in numbers for how long? The chorus has been loud "tanking your exhumer will deter ganking". Well congratulate yourselves gankers, you won - hulks are an endangered species in hi-sec and miners are flying tanked. Mission Accomplished.

Yeah CCP definitely helped with that agenda, by doing it for them.

Next up, saving freighters from the stupidity of the people loading them. Gank em, CCP buffs them, the pilots are just as moronic, but the freighter is safe. Op success.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-10-04 13:52:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
baltec1 wrote:
Hulks were safe from 99% of ganks if the fitted a good tank and when I say good, I mean a tank that made them unprofitable to kill. These are the same daft pilots who put billions in untanked haulers and fit 40+ billion onto a lvl 4 mission boat. The problem with barges was never with their HP. It was the fact that only two of them were ever used and they suffered from fitting issues (not the hulk or skiff).


So now you want people to fly untanked exhumers...

"Don't tank your ship, stupid carebear."
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-10-04 14:22:04 UTC
baltec1 wrote:

Welcome to the reality of ganking and that little world of ganking you thought existed doesn't and never has.

Remember the ice interdictions? It was done for profit.

Every Hulkageddon? Done for the prizes, aka profit.

You honestly never noticed the fact that 99% of barges killed were very poorly tanked or wondered why it was always destroyers doing the killing? We dont give a damn about killmails and tears are simply a bonus.

As for those freighters we are now killing, Yes, its all done for profit. Miners were never any different. Afterall, who do you think benefitted from higher ice and mineral prices? You honestly think we want to see our profits from minerals, ice and all the products that use this stuff go down?

hm... some time ago i made billions from carebearing in droneland... Have never need to whine "waaa, waaaa, CCP!!! Make it profitable!".

Maybe you (gankers) should try another options to make ISK? Eve is wide enough Cool

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-10-04 14:44:31 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
TharOkha wrote:

You still dont see the problem. Exhumers were expensive paperboats... so "paper" that they were shot just for fun outside the stations, near the gates and in the fields, because gank was extremely cheap. You cannot gank nightmare or freighter in catalyst just for LOL because they have high base HP (unfitted) Exhumers had only hundreds of base HP. Now with standard HP (as any other ship in their class) they are still gankable and profitable, you just need to scan them and search for expensive fits. This was not about "they should tank it" problem. Problem was their base HP.


They were not killed for just fun they were killed because we were maining bilions in profit from mass ganking the stupids out there who fitted a very poor tank. Seriously how many times do you people need this explained to you?

There is KM (it can be found somewhere in killboards) where some guy suicided my retriever just for fun. So you can speak only for you and your friends and only for kills you have seen.

People killed miners just for fun. It really happens.

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#175 - 2012-10-04 14:51:58 UTC
I think the point being made was that as well as being fun it was also profitable.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Medarr
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2012-10-04 14:55:09 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.

Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.


So we can start with nerfing you... GTFO
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#177 - 2012-10-04 16:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
March rabbit wrote:

There is KM (it can be found somewhere in killboards) where some guy suicided my retriever just for fun. So you can speak only for you and your friends and only for kills you have seen.

People killed miners just for fun. It really happens.


Everything gets ganked for fun not just miners but the vast bulk are killed for profit. The two events that sparked the miner whines were purely done for profit.

Also you have not lost a retriver in the past year at least which puts you outside of the timeframe when it was discovered how to make a profit on these ships.

March rabbit wrote:

hm... some time ago i made billions from carebearing in droneland... Have never need to whine "waaa, waaaa, CCP!!! Make it profitable!".

Maybe you (gankers) should try another options to make ISK? Eve is wide enough Cool


We have.

But that doesnt mean that we will let mining suffer another decline or allow fleets of mining bots to once again take over.
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#178 - 2012-10-04 16:20:22 UTC
baltec1 wrote:


But that doesnt mean that we will let mining suffer another decline or allow fleets of mining bots to once again take over.


You should try reporting them like everyone else.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#179 - 2012-10-04 16:30:29 UTC
Skydell wrote:
baltec1 wrote:


But that doesnt mean that we will let mining suffer another decline or allow fleets of mining bots to once again take over.


You should try reporting them like everyone else.


Far more effective to blow them up, pod them and then report them.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#180 - 2012-10-04 16:35:01 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Far more effective to blow them up, pod them and then report them.


You don't report bots. You want to keep them in the game for easy isk farming.