EVE General Discussion

I think this thread has almost gone as far as it can but I'm not quite willing to close it just yet, if you can all get back on topic. This thread is not another "Issues with mining barges" thread, we already had that.

Since ganking isn't restricted to high sec nor is it restricted to barges/exhumers, lets see if we can't get the thread out of this very narrow channel it seems to have gotten wedged in, and back to something resembling its starting point. I genuinely wanted to see what would come of this topic, as I'm pretty sure many of you do.

Per instructions, getting back on topic:

I think the problem here is that "the cold harsh universe," means so many different things to different people. The OP seems to be implying that it's a universe where death is common place, loss is common place and in fact is tilted toward the aggressor with all non "pvp," functions in eve being there simply as filler for killmails. I don't know if this is true or not. One of the issues is that while ganking is an absolutely sanctioned profession, it is one that is purely player driven, defined and created and thus I think up to the player to adjust to all CCP speed bumps thrown up. Much like the criminal in the real world, the burden of adjustment is on the ganker. If exhumers get a million EHP figure out how to break them or like other groups move onto to juicer and easier targets.

Ganking =/= suicide ganking

Although suicide ganking involves ganking.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ganking

Who's saying we want things tilted towards the aggressor? Mining barges could be tanked to absolutely be unprofitable to gank (and as I have yet to see a suicide gank killmail of a well tanked Hulk pre-buff, I don't know that any well tanked hulks were killed). Mining barges could be flown in such a way as to be immune to ganks. 3 webs and an "align to SS" mean you cannot get caught (unless by Jorma's imaginary km/s cloaked ship).

We want things tilted away from stupid and lazy people and towards smart and/or industrious people (fitting a tank being smart, flying aligned and watching the screen being industrious).

Crimewatch 2.0 is protecting stupid people (by making it legal to re-flip cans, thus eliminating can-flipping as a profession) (by virtually eliminating Missionbear ganking [non-suicide] as a profession), and rewarding lazy people (Ganking Freighters will be significantly harder, so no more making 2 trips for your 3b in goods) etc. This hurts the smart and industrious people by making their intelligence and industry provide them with less benefit over the stupid and lazy people.

Here's the problem with your "adapt" speach. Suicide Gankers have adapted to some 20 nerfs to their profession in the past. When is it enough?

Ninja Looters have adapted to many nerfs to their profession in the past. When is it enough?

Can Flippers have been eliminated by the Mack. (Except for the few who go after brand new people for lulz).

Saying "adapt or move on" doesn't work when the nerfs quite simply eliminate the profession or the possibility of any sort of profit.

I believe it is time to update my sig.

Not usually no. I can make an exception for you though.

Nyncing.

Edit: And while it may be common shorthand, it's a bit too narrow a definition. You can also gank outside of suicide ganking, if you gank someone chances are you take them unawares or unable to defend themselves, the difference between it and suicide ganking is that you die in the process.

meaning a BC ganking a freighter or a JF is a perfectly acceptable definition, same with a BC ganking a dread f.ex.

And what mechanic provides the guarantee of suicide? I know it may be splitting hairs, but there's a difference between discussing the mechanics of suicide ganking and the tactical implications of jumping dreads into a situation wherein they have very little hope of surviving their siege cycle.



I agree that it's too narrow, but it's fairly clear that when the OP says "ganking" he means "Suicide Ganking."

your personal definitions are almost always narrow minded. No surprise there. Try to find a game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about. How can anyone take you seriously when you have a 50 post per day average and sometimes spike up to 150 posts in a single day? Don't we have enough overly-vocal morons on these forums?

Its always the same stupid extreme argument comming from the narrow minded pro-gankers who are afraid to lose their easymode and riskless "pvp". They expect everyone to mine or travel with a fleet of ships at their disposal and fully tanked or not at all regardless of the fact that any barriers to ganking can be easily overcome by adding more cheap t1 destroyers into the mix.

Old-school nyncing hasn't been a big thing since fighter bombers were added (i.e. drop a Nyx, align, melt JF in <1 minute, warp to safe) but losing the dread in the process is usually inevitable if you're doing it on a deathstar POS.

Also, much unlike hisec miners who refused to adapt, jump freighter pilots simply learned to light their own cynos on stations rather than jumping blind to beacons.