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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#721 - 2012-10-08 02:53:42 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise.

Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.


highly skilled and high sec ganker is practically an oxymoron.

Also, instead of actually being one of those smart people who figures out how to work the new system, instead you cry to CCP.

Piracy was far too brainless before. They did nerf dumb people. Cry more scrub.

Now it's mining that's entirely too brainless. Dumb people buffed for failing to ever adapt.

Not to mention gankers only have one option left for practical ganking, as posted by Touval Lysander. Apparently, it's the rookie ship. How viable do you think the average mining career would be if executed solely from rookie ships? Roll

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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#722 - 2012-10-08 02:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: EglantinFinfleur
Darth Gustav wrote:

There's a difference between players not using common-sense with regard to exploits and players not using common sense in any way shape or form when it comes to preparedness, self-defense, and survivability against players who are FOLLOWING THE RULES.

The comparison is disingenuous at best.


It is, I never made it. The common sense I was referring to, and which is probably completely alien to you, is that, in order for everyone to have fun, it's better not to repeateadly play like a jerk.

And then again, if you play games to be competitive, pick up another hobby, as violent fighting sports or RL warfare.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#723 - 2012-10-08 03:02:45 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

There's a difference between players not using common-sense with regard to exploits and players not using common sense in any way shape or form when it comes to preparedness, self-defense, and survivability against players who are FOLLOWING THE RULES.

The comparison is disingenuous at best.


It is, I never made it. The common sense I was referring to, and which is probably completely alien to you, is that, in order for everyone to have fun, it's better not to repeateadly play like a jerk.

And then again, if you play games to be competitive, pick up another hobby, as violent fighting sports or RL warfare.

So you're saying aggressive gameplay is only OK if i stand a reasonable chance to be physically harmed by it?

That's a fascinating viewpoint and one I believe to be entirely alien to the design parameters of Eve Online.

Here, we get to be aggressive and nobody gets hurt. Except the people who, you know, can't take the heat.

But, again, there are other games for those people. Tiddlywinks is fun, I hear.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#724 - 2012-10-08 03:04:58 UTC
Ganker tears hmm tasty.

That said, Ganking isn't getting nerfed at all. It got a massive buff with Oversized guns on BCs, and ROF buff on Dessi's. Now they are bring Concord back up to match.

Seems like you had a few months of favored in the gankers way, now they are readjusting it back you cry?

Eve is dangerous enough, you just need to add more people to your gank squad. As last time I checked no ship in eve can live if you have enough people to begin with.

Get better or get out. Change made press rage button is no longer welcome, is extremely annoying and pointless. If you're that pissed off, unsub and move on. If not, adapt.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#725 - 2012-10-08 03:06:37 UTC
The only thing worse than a terrible opinion is an uninformed terrible opinion.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#726 - 2012-10-08 03:08:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
sYnc Vir wrote:
Ganker tears hmm tasty.

That said, Ganking isn't getting nerfed at all. It got a massive buff with Oversized guns on BCs, and ROF buff on Dessi's. Now they are bring Concord back up to match.

Seems like you had a few months of favored in the gankers way, now they are readjusting it back you cry?

Eve is dangerous enough, you just need to add more people to your gank squad. As last time I checked no ship in eve can live if you have enough people to begin with.

Get better or get out. Change made press rage button is no longer welcome, is extremely annoying and pointless. If you're that pissed off, unsub and move on. If not, adapt.

This is exactly the philosophy of gankers pre-mining-buff.

Get over yourself if you think this line of thought is in any way original. FFS all you have to do is RTFT to find at least four other samples of it.

This viewpoint continues to be just as mistaken as ever because gankers continually adapted (including to the insurance nerf) whereas miners did what, exactly? Oh right, they generated tears (in other words they qq'd) as an adaptation mechanism.

Your reasoning isn't sound when you look at who was rewarded and for what, sorry.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#727 - 2012-10-08 03:09:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Pipa Porto wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

I just want to be clear. Are you the kind of player who holds his draw fours out of a sense of altruism to his fellow Uno players?

When you play poker, do you try desperately to break even so nobody gets hurt?

When did games become less about winners and losers and more about whiny people not feeling bad because their strategy didn't work out well?


Winners and losers? Are you an edgy hormonally raging 16yr old?

Games are made so that everyone has fun. People playing Monopoly lend money to each other so bankrupt players can continue playing, so the drama can continue. Hell, even poker players do this.

Winning is nice, but in non real money related games, it's a byproduct of having fun. What people meeting to play a game want to, is create a story filled with excitement. You need everybody to partake in it, so you can be emotionally invested. What you don't want, is some tryhard that annoys everybody else and turns story-making into competition peen waving. This kind of person is never invited twice to a gaming session.

Of course, online gaming brings together people who don't know each other, so the less empathic amongst them will tryhard all the way so as to come out on top and get some solace from their aforementioned lack of empathy. "People suck, I'm more clever and I'll show them :[ !"


I'm honestly not sure how to start.

If you want that kind of game, I'd suggest Candyland. It has no winners and losers.






you don't understand what EVE is supposed to be. Your extreme views that EVE is supposed to be a place where high sec-pirates have free reign and share all advantages without penalties is as moronic as it is unsustainable. You can't seem to comprehend that high-sec is supposed to be a place where people can play and be at the mercy of low-life douchebags who are looking to annoy anyone they possibly can. The easymode piracy seal-clubbing days are over. The devs have corrected the issue fortunately. CCP has laid down how EVE is supposed to work and so your arguments of what you personally think EVE is supposed to be are both pointless and moronic. Now stfu and get back to your basement or find another game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#728 - 2012-10-08 03:11:22 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

I just want to be clear. Are you the kind of player who holds his draw fours out of a sense of altruism to his fellow Uno players?

When you play poker, do you try desperately to break even so nobody gets hurt?

When did games become less about winners and losers and more about whiny people not feeling bad because their strategy didn't work out well?


Winners and losers? Are you an edgy hormonally raging 16yr old?

Games are made so that everyone has fun. People playing Monopoly lend money to each other so bankrupt players can continue playing, so the drama can continue. Hell, even poker players do this.

Winning is nice, but in non real money related games, it's a byproduct of having fun. What people meeting to play a game want to, is create a story filled with excitement. You need everybody to partake in it, so you can be emotionally invested. What you don't want, is some tryhard that annoys everybody else and turns story-making into competition peen waving. This kind of person is never invited twice to a gaming session.

Of course, online gaming brings together people who don't know each other, so the less empathic amongst them will tryhard all the way so as to come out on top and get some solace from their aforementioned lack of empathy. "People suck, I'm more clever and I'll show them :[ !"


I'm honestly not sure how to start.

If you want that kind of game, I'd suggest Candyland. It has no winners and losers.






you don't understand what EVE is supposed to be. The easymode piracy seal-clubbing days are over. Now stfu and get back to your basement or find another game you don't feel the need to constantly cry about

Right the easymode mining market-deflating days are here now. Roger that, we know. Roll

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Matriarch Prime
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#729 - 2012-10-08 03:14:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Matriarch Prime
So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation, and then when CCP evens the playing field. Instead of taking their own advice, "adapt", they pour into the forums and qq in thier own turn, all while saying that it was miner qq that 'casue the problem.

Here's an alternative. If there had been no problem with miners being mass ganked in the first place, there wouldn't have been a miner buff and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

There's plenty of opportunities out there without your precious miner loot pinata. I'm sure, being so smart and adaptable as you are, that you can manage.

This is 'cause and effect. Butterflies, hurricanes and all that jazz.

Buck up, soldier.

I like big guns. I can not lie. You other suckas can't deny. When I warp in, with an itty bity sig, with an arty in your face, you get sprung. You want to pull out your debuffs, 'cause you want to loot my stuff...deep, in a worm with nary, an escape but you can't stop staring. 'Cause, Oh crap!, Baby's got Point!
Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#730 - 2012-10-08 03:16:09 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation, and then when CCP evens the playing field. Instead of taking their own advice, "adapt", they pour into the forums and qq in thier own turn, all while saying that it was miner qq that 'casue the problem.

Here's an alternative. If there had been no problem with miners being mass ganked in the first place, there wouldn't have been a miner buff and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

There's plenty of opportunities out there without your precious miner loot pinata. I'm sure, being so smart and adaptable as you are, that you can manage.

This is 'cause and effect. Butterflies, hurricanes and all that jazz.

Buck up, soldier.

Ha ha! Nice!

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#731 - 2012-10-08 03:18:48 UTC
Matriarch Prime wrote:
So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation, and then when CCP evens the playing field. Instead of taking their own advice, "adapt", they pour into the forums and qq in thier own turn, all while saying that it was miner qq that 'casue the problem.

Here's an alternative. If there had been no problem with miners being mass ganked in the first place, there wouldn't have been a miner buff and we wouldn't be having this conversation.

There's plenty of opportunities out there without your precious miner loot pinata. I'm sure, being so smart and adaptable as you are, that you can manage.

This is 'cause and effect. Butterflies, hurricanes and all that jazz.

Buck up, soldier.

The playing field was even before the mining buff. Miners could choose to escape from a gank 100% of the time.

We told them to buck it up too, and they kept on.

Turnabout is fair play.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#732 - 2012-10-08 03:19:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Matriarch Prime wrote:
So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation,



pretty much. That exactly why high sec gankers are synonymous with the dumbest "pvpers" in EVE.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#733 - 2012-10-08 03:20:51 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Matriarch Prime wrote:
So let me get this strait? Griefers go out and gank a bunch of miners. Say they should adapt and tank up. While they themselves aren't subject to the same expectation,



pretty much. That exactly why high sec gankers are synonymous with the dumbest "pvpers" in EVE.

Whereas high-sec miners are pretty much synonymous with the asteroids they mine in terms of adaptability.

Good point.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#734 - 2012-10-08 03:21:27 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

So you're saying aggressive gameplay is only OK if i stand a reasonable chance to be physically harmed by it?

That's a fascinating viewpoint and one I believe to be entirely alien to the design parameters of Eve Online.

Here, we get to be aggressive and nobody gets hurt. Except the people who, you know, can't take the heat.

But, again, there are other games for those people. Tiddlywinks is fun, I hear.


Tiddlywinks?? You're so RANDOM XDDDD !!

Aggressive gameplay is an oxymoron. Games are made for fun. Sports, for brotherly/sisterly competition -though they have degenerated as well-. Fighting events, for violent and aggressive competition. Warfare, for annihilating your opponent.

Get your priorities straight. What do you want, do you want to annihilate, best, spar against, have fun with, people?

Because, if you enjoy being aggressive with people in absolute safety (because you aren't at the risk of your fellow gamer b1tchslapping you, unless a pen&paper or tabletop griefbear who's all-out trying to annoy his fellow players), you'll end up with ultra-limited and not sandboxy at all limited PvP instances of MMOs, with all the other griefbears, whining "Why doesn't anybody want to play with us : (((( ?"
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#735 - 2012-10-08 03:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So you're saying aggressive gameplay is only OK if i stand a reasonable chance to be physically harmed by it?

That's a fascinating viewpoint and one I believe to be entirely alien to the design parameters of Eve Online.

Here, we get to be aggressive and nobody gets hurt. Except the people who, you know, can't take the heat.

But, again, there are other games for those people. Tiddlywinks is fun, I hear.


Tiddlywinks?? You're so RANDOM XDDDD !!

Aggressive gameplay is an oxymoron. Games are made for fun. Sports, for brotherly/sisterly competition -though they have degenerated as well-. Fighting events, for violent and aggressive competition. Warfare, for annihilating your opponent.

Get your priorities straight. What do you want, do you want to annihilate, best, spar against, have fun with, people?

Because, if you enjoy being aggressive with people in absolute safety (because you aren't at the risk of your fellow gamer b1tchslapping you, unless a pen&paper or tabletop griefbear who's all-out trying to annoy his fellow players), you'll end up with ultra-limited and not sandboxy at all limited PvP instances of MMOs, with all the other griefbears, whining "Why doesn't anybody want to play with us : (((( ?"

This post screams, "I just don't get Eve dude, let me post!"

Let me rephrase that: HTFU and tiddlywinks are incompatible.

Do you get me now?

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#736 - 2012-10-08 03:33:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Darth Gustav wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

So you're saying aggressive gameplay is only OK if i stand a reasonable chance to be physically harmed by it?

That's a fascinating viewpoint and one I believe to be entirely alien to the design parameters of Eve Online.

Here, we get to be aggressive and nobody gets hurt. Except the people who, you know, can't take the heat.

But, again, there are other games for those people. Tiddlywinks is fun, I hear.


Tiddlywinks?? You're so RANDOM XDDDD !!

Aggressive gameplay is an oxymoron. Games are made for fun. Sports, for brotherly/sisterly competition -though they have degenerated as well-. Fighting events, for violent and aggressive competition. Warfare, for annihilating your opponent.

Get your priorities straight. What do you want, do you want to annihilate, best, spar against, have fun with, people?

Because, if you enjoy being aggressive with people in absolute safety (because you aren't at the risk of your fellow gamer b1tchslapping you, unless a pen&paper or tabletop griefbear who's all-out trying to annoy his fellow players), you'll end up with ultra-limited and not sandboxy at all limited PvP instances of MMOs, with all the other griefbears, whining "Why doesn't anybody want to play with us : (((( ?"

This post screams, "I just don't get Eve dude, let me post!"

Let me rephrase that: HTFU and tiddlywinks are incompatible.

Do you get me now?



try to find a game you don't feel the need to cry about, scrub. the majority of EVE players agree with the Devs that ganking was far too easy and rewarded brainless activity at the expense of others who had little recourse.

there are other games that require actual skills as a player and have a harsh environment with no safety zones. If you want hardcore pvp with full loot and no safety zones, I would suggest you try Darkfall. It would prob chew you up and spit you out though, being a cowardly high-sec ganker, the type who fears real pvp.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#737 - 2012-10-08 03:35:38 UTC
I don't really want to reply to that except to say that I feel you seem to have gone beyond the point of any reasonably constructive dialogue.

I have nothing further to comment on that because, after all, this forum has rules.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#738 - 2012-10-08 04:13:36 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:



try to find a game you don't feel the need to cry about, scrub. the majority of EVE players agree with the Devs that ganking was far too easy and rewarded brainless activity at the expense of others who had little recourse.

there are other games that require actual skills as a player and have a harsh environment with no safety zones. If you want hardcore pvp with full loot and no safety zones, I would suggest you try Darkfall. It would prob chew you up and spit you out though, being a cowardly high-sec ganker, the type who fears real pvp.



Ganking is only as easy as the target makes it.

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#739 - 2012-10-08 04:18:32 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
So if the price of exhumers tripled tomorrow due to some 0.0 moon goo drama, would CCP have to triple their EHP to compensate?


Price of a ships hull means nothing when ganking it.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#740 - 2012-10-08 04:20:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
So if the price of exhumers tripled tomorrow due to some 0.0 moon goo drama, would CCP have to triple their EHP to compensate?


Price of a ships hull means nothing when ganking it.

The equation is Value = Demand / Suppy, right baltec1? Big smile

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom