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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#541 - 2012-10-07 12:47:22 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
They do need a tank and they do fit it, that's why you are all crying.

Funny, all the exhumers I've seen lately haven't fitted a single tank module, it's all yield yield yield.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#542 - 2012-10-07 12:47:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


As a result the bots are swamping highsec again which is not only destroying miners profits but also causing the price of plex to shoot up as hundreds of bots come online.


Is there any proof that gankers made any impact on the number of bots or simply drove them to null and the backwaters of the major powers there? Most of the miners that I know who have been ganked aren't bots and if it's bots we are against then thats a programming issue with CCP. The "we're saving them by killing them," argument gets old really fast.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#543 - 2012-10-07 12:48:16 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


As a result the bots are swamping highsec again which is not only destroying miners profits but also causing the price of plex to shoot up as hundreds of bots come online.



It's not like if everyone around for at least 2 years didn't knew majority of high sec mining/industrial corps are major alliances alt corps. Now you have to share your alts roids with noobs trying to make some isk while training or simply high sec players not willing to move anywhere else.

This is what really makes U mad, nothing else.

brb
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#544 - 2012-10-07 12:50:11 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Can you prove you shoot targets that shoot back. For example in that "war" someone mentioned.

You mean the 3 month war up north where a few titans, supers, dreads, carriers, fucktonne of BSes etc etc etc have gone kersplodey? Or the same thing down south?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#545 - 2012-10-07 12:50:22 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
You're wrong on both counts. Highsec was never meant to be risk free & most of us don't claim to be elite.


Then what is this "hisec miners generate risk free isk" whine?

Especially when gankers refuse to bring that risk to hisec because they would lose money doing it.

Can you prove you shoot targets that shoot back. For example in that "war" someone mentioned.


1. Because it does. And that's a problem because it wasn't intended to.

2. Because Gankers are not stupid nor are they randomly vindictive the way you seem to think they are. What risk do miners face unless ganking untanked miners is profitable?

3. DelveJam 2012. Seriously, learn to pay some attention. Even Riverini.com mentioned it a couple times.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#546 - 2012-10-07 12:50:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you forgot to halve the drop, as each item has a 50% chance of dropping.


Show me that killmail.

Requirements: no more than 50% modules drop, API verified, done with your main.

Pipa Porto wrote:
3. DelveJam 2012. Seriously, learn to pay some attention. Even Riverini.com mentioned it a couple times.


His recent "ganking" looks like this http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17624784
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#547 - 2012-10-07 12:52:10 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you forgot to halve the drop, as each item has a 50% chance of dropping.


Show me that killmail.

Requirements: no more than 50% modules drop, API verified, done with your main.

So this is your next straw of hope, is it? Arguing how the game mechanics work?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#548 - 2012-10-07 12:52:56 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
They do need a tank and they do fit it, that's why you are all crying.


No, they really don't. Even if they did, they certainly wouldn't need to give up a low slot, which brings us to the separate but related problem of how overpowered the Mack is compared to the Skiff.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#549 - 2012-10-07 12:56:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
No, they really don't.


Do you want to try your theory against my Skiff?
Pipa Porto
#550 - 2012-10-07 12:59:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you forgot to halve the drop, as each item has a 50% chance of dropping.


Show me that killmail.

Requirements: no more than 50% modules drop, API verified, done with your main.


Literally my most recent kill.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14749567
Stilletto. 5 out of 10 modules dropped. (Want to count Ammo and Cargo? Then it's 6 out of 13.)

By the way, the 50% drop rate is so ludicrously well established you look like an even bigger idiot then normal pretending it's not.

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Pipa Porto wrote:
3. DelveJam 2012. Seriously, learn to pay some attention. Even Riverini.com mentioned it a couple times.


His recent "ganking" looks like this http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17624784


First, Battleclinic
Second, what are you on about now? You claimed people in this thread weren't fighting people who could shoot back.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#551 - 2012-10-07 12:59:42 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, you forgot to halve the drop, as each item has a 50% chance of dropping.


Show me that killmail.

Requirements: no more than 50% modules drop, API verified, done with your main.

Pipa Porto wrote:
3. DelveJam 2012. Seriously, learn to pay some attention. Even Riverini.com mentioned it a couple times.


His recent "ganking" looks like this http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17624784


Is that a gank or a killmail from a fleet battle?

damn it why is there no "bottom," button?

Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#552 - 2012-10-07 13:00:35 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


We can revisit my conspiracy theory later...

It's not risk free, it's simply harder to gank them. Less profitable in the short term. Speaking of James315 if you want profit you can run an extortion/protection racket which are fun words for griefing. Anyway I thought ganking and griefing were about the tears? What happened to the love of the tears?

Game balance is such an odd thing. With every rebalance someone gets screwed. I agree completely that miners should stop being tools and fit tanks but I also think gankers should just figure out a new way to gank them.



Under CCP's rules griefing is bannable. If someone isn't banned because of their actions then it isn't griefing.

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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#553 - 2012-10-07 13:01:17 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No, they really don't.


Do you want to try your theory against my Skiff?

What theory? That mackinaws and hulks don't need to fit tanks at all to be unprofitable to gank? And you want to prove that by being an internet toughguy telling people to try to gank your skiff, the least used mining barge in the game.

Sometimes, I love pubbie logic.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Pipa Porto
#554 - 2012-10-07 13:01:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No, they really don't.


Do you want to try your theory against my Skiff?


Hey, I guess the preponderance of the word "Mackinaw" hasn't been enough to clue you in. We're talking (primarily) about the Mackinaw. You know, the ship that some 90% of miners fly.

Again, doing something just to be contrary (or lying about doing something to be contrary like your pretend 1000 unit order of 200k ISK Catalysts) doesn't actually do anything to bolster your argument.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#555 - 2012-10-07 13:02:31 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, Battleclinic
Second, what are you on about now? You claimed people in this thread weren't fighting people who could shoot back.


How you can shoot if you have all your modules in cargohold?
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#556 - 2012-10-07 13:03:26 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Weiland Taur wrote:

I thought Goons had given up on ganking Miners (secret agreement with james315) and were focusing soley on freighters now?


This isn't about what we gank, it's about game balance for everyone. The mining barge buff made AFK mining a risk-free activity & they don't even need to fit a tank anymore.


We can revisit my conspiracy theory later...

It's not risk free, it's simply harder to gank them. Less profitable in the short term. Speaking of James315 if you want profit you can run an extortion/protection racket which are fun words for griefing. Anyway I thought ganking and griefing were about the tears? What happened to the love of the tears?

Game balance is such an odd thing. With every rebalance someone gets screwed. I agree completely that miners should stop being tools and fit tanks but I also think gankers should just figure out a new way to gank them.



Under CCP's rules griefing is bannable. If someone isn't banned because of their actions then it isn't griefing.


Seriously...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#557 - 2012-10-07 13:03:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
First, Battleclinic
Second, what are you on about now? You claimed people in this thread weren't fighting people who could shoot back.


How you can shoot if you have all your modules in cargohold?

How can you mine if you've got spaghetti on your head?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#558 - 2012-10-07 13:04:25 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
1000 unit order of 200k ISK Catalysts


You have to contact my Gallente alt for those...
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#559 - 2012-10-07 13:05:34 UTC
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#560 - 2012-10-07 13:06:03 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1000 unit order of 200k ISK Catalysts


You have to contact my Gallente alt for those...

So you're going to sell catalysts at a minimum of 900k loss per catalyst?

I'll buy every one you have. You can setup the contract to this char.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat