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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#461 - 2012-10-07 06:56:22 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They don't last very long against CONCORD death ray either.


20-30 seconds. ~4 seconds against 800s.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.


Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#462 - 2012-10-07 07:12:56 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
But that's what happens when "You constantly contradict yourself....[and] are just trolling and being irrational on purpose".


Like you do on the forums every day?

I do, I do. The trick is to know when I'm playing with your head.


No, you really just look stupid. I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this.

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#463 - 2012-10-07 07:57:07 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They don't last very long against CONCORD death ray either.


20-30 seconds. ~4 seconds against 800s.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.


Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.


pro-tip: nothing can actually prevent a gank other than intelligence

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Pipa Porto
#464 - 2012-10-07 08:08:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They don't last very long against CONCORD death ray either.


20-30 seconds. ~4 seconds against 800s.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.


Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.


Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#465 - 2012-10-07 08:25:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#466 - 2012-10-07 08:30:47 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
They don't last very long against CONCORD death ray either.


20-30 seconds. ~4 seconds against 800s.

There you go. Yet another gank prevention technique. And we didn't even have to tell you how to do it.


Doesn't prevent alpha gank. If you guys want to destroy exhumer but pilot has friends in Nados/logis you bring best alpha ships to do the job.


Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


There is no such thing as a normallyfittedExhumer unless you count a max yeild/cargo fit.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#467 - 2012-10-07 08:32:50 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


No, he's asking you to show him a profitable kill of an Exhumer that was alpha ganked. They exist, but aren't overly common.

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Pipa Porto
#468 - 2012-10-07 08:37:06 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#469 - 2012-10-07 08:42:58 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?

Deflation.

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Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#470 - 2012-10-07 08:56:31 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:


Got any evidence that shows people are actually recycling alts? Didn't think so.

Im sure something can be dug up if one goes far enough back, people used to brag about it. Generally speaking though, the only ones who could "prove" anything is CCP, they are the ones sitting on all our accounts.


Pipa Porto wrote:

An Exhumer can be ground back in much less time than Sec status via ratting. One person ratting makes ~20m ticks for 60m/hr or ~4 hours to a new Exhumer. Ratting up sec status takes much longer.

In all honesty, thats a rather idiotic statement to make.

What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.

If you ask me, your "solution" is just about the dumbest thing the barge user could have possibly done. But hey, thats just my opinon :)
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#471 - 2012-10-07 09:01:53 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:


Got any evidence that shows people are actually recycling alts? Didn't think so.

Im sure something can be dug up if one goes far enough back, people used to brag about it. Generally speaking though, the only ones who could "prove" anything is CCP, they are the ones sitting on all our accounts.


Pipa Porto wrote:

An Exhumer can be ground back in much less time than Sec status via ratting. One person ratting makes ~20m ticks for 60m/hr or ~4 hours to a new Exhumer. Ratting up sec status takes much longer.

In all honesty, thats a rather idiotic statement to make.

What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.

If you ask me, your "solution" is just about the dumbest thing the barge user could have possibly done. But hey, thats just my opinon :)

Relatively new players don't pilot exhumers. Granted, relatively poor ones can and do.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#472 - 2012-10-07 09:03:48 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
What if the player is relatively new, dont really have many/any skills unrelated to mining (that he didnt start with), and he does not want to go into low sec or 0.0 (where chances are far greater he'll lose another ship rather than actually making any money) ? And he certainly neither has the skills nor money for a HAC, BC, BS, or what have you.


Don't fly what you can't afford to lose. If you do you're taking a big risk with it & have no reason to complain about not being able to buy a new one if someone removes you from it.

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Roderick Grey
Koenigsbergers
#473 - 2012-10-07 09:05:42 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
Update: CCP has once again shat on ganking in order to turn highsec into a risk-free carebear paradise.

Retribution is all about balancing ships and what not, so why not balance out ganking a bit while you're at it? Over the last eight years, ganking has been nerfed nearly into the ground, with only a few select groups of highly skilled, well funded individuals continuing to separate stupid highsec mongoloids from their precious shiny things. Why not buff immoral activity for a change? Reward smart people for taking basic precautions against dying and loss, like not traveling around with billions in their hold, not clicking on the contracts in Jita local, and not traveling the Rancer Pipe with hundreds of PLEX in the cargo bay.

Ganking keeps getting hit with more and more nerfs: pretty soon there won't be that "cold harsh universe" left that CCP keeps going on about in their promos. EVE belongs to the violent, the venal, and the brilliant. Buff ganking. Nerf dumb people.


You're just as bad as the miners that complain about get ganked when they can fit a tank. Adapt, dual box, make some friends, jesus.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#474 - 2012-10-07 09:11:24 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Terminal boredom.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#475 - 2012-10-07 09:11:50 UTC
Roderick Grey wrote:
You're just as bad as the miners that complain about get ganked when they can fit a tank. Adapt, dual box, make some friends, jesus.


The difference is after years of repeated nerfs it's now getting to the point where if we don't complain, highsec will essentially become that dreaded safe area that newer players will never leave.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#476 - 2012-10-07 09:13:04 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Terminal boredom.


They choose that boring profession though. If the boredom is such an issue, perhaps they could find something more exciting?

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#477 - 2012-10-07 09:14:17 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Show me a profitable Alpha gank of a normally fitted Exhumer.


Do you want it to be profitable? If yes, you need a woman, dude. EVE is a game, not a second life.


Aside from profitable suicide ganks, what significant risk do miners face?


Terminal boredom.


They choose that boring profession though. If the boredom is such an issue, perhaps they could find something more exciting?


Hey I know a profession that used to be exciting!!! Cool

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#478 - 2012-10-07 09:16:32 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
Hey I know a profession that used to be exciting!!! Cool


It still can be, but with these new crimewatch changes it will yet again multiply the cost of doing so.

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Amber Coldheart
Doomheim
#479 - 2012-10-07 09:42:21 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:

Relatively new players don't pilot exhumers. Granted, relatively poor ones can and do.

Sure they can... a player that built up his skills and some ISK while mining in a frig / cruiser, he could get into an exhumer in what, a month, a month and a half ?

Thats how i started myself (granted, this was in 2006), there was no Hulk at the time, so the Covetor was what i was aiming at (i skilled my way up to a cruiser and used that to gather some ISK while i skilled up).

How long does it take to get into a Retriever these days, a week ?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#480 - 2012-10-07 09:44:03 UTC
Amber Coldheart wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

Relatively new players don't pilot exhumers. Granted, relatively poor ones can and do.

Sure they can... a player that built up his skills and some ISK while mining in a frig / cruiser, he could get into an exhumer in what, a month, a month and a half ?

Thats how i started myself (granted, this was in 2006), there was no Hulk at the time, so the Covetor was what i was aiming at (i skilled my way up to a cruiser and used that to gather some ISK while i skilled up).

How long does it take to get into a Retriever these days, a week ?


A retriever is a mining barge. We're talking about Exhumers which take quite a bit longer to skill in to.

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