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Buff Ganking--Nevermind, Nerfed Again

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Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#401 - 2012-10-06 22:48:32 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Andski wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
NEWS JUST IN
Gankers and Goons butthurt over miner buff.

As soon as we work out HOW that happened, we'll update you.

Stay tuned.


news just in: tantrums and forum whining constitute ~metagaming~

it really isn't and it's pretty undignified

I direct your attention to the OP. Go on, look. Does it constitute tantrum and forum whining?

Are Goons posting copious responses SUPPORTING a tantrum and whine thread?

Would that be the same Goons that don't actually mine, don't live in highsec and had absolutely no idea they could be beaten at their own game?

Is that the same Goons that flood forums or post bad things when they dont get their own way or when someone posts **** about them?

You taught well Goon. Beware the pupil.

Now, really. Haven't you got someone to rofl-stomp into the ground? Go and do YOUR job properly and stop worrying yourself needlessly about MY finances.


You obviously know more than you ever learned. Oops

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-10-06 22:49:46 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
what if we made drone space like the old days pre-crucible, but only made them drop low-end mins.
then buff hulk ehp some more

Actually what needs to happen is for the cargohold to be increased even further in size, and the hp should be buffed even more. And let's up the yield while we're at it, so we can make the skiff and the hulk properly irrelevan, instead of this pussyfooting around we've got now.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#403 - 2012-10-06 22:50:30 UTC
CCP: they went full returd.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#404 - 2012-10-06 22:51:50 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
You obviously know more than you ever learned. Oops

I love that saying. Cool

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#405 - 2012-10-06 22:52:23 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
CCP: they went full returd.

Why?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#406 - 2012-10-06 22:53:33 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
captain foivos wrote:
CCP: they went full returd.

Why?



Never go full returd.
Darth Gustav
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#407 - 2012-10-06 22:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Darth Gustav
I'd just like to point out that there's a great thread over in the F&I about one way that ganking could legitimately be buffed.

It's the "Buff Smartbombs" thread, and it details how GSCs are employed by miners for the sole purpose of griefing gankers. This is because they are made outdated by the giant ore bays enjoyed by all exhumers and barges. Despite their obsolescence, they continue to litter vast swaths of space, griefing gankers by preventing them from activating the single remaining effective tactic for ganking miners.

That's the very definition of grief play.

He who trolls trolls best when he who is trolled trolls the troller. -Darth Gustav's Axiom
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#408 - 2012-10-06 23:01:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Bart Starr
Touval Lysander wrote:
Darth Gustav wrote:

If gankers are so inconsequential you sure do write an awful lot about why they shouldn't be buffed...Roll

Because YOU sir, can STILL gank EASILY. CCP gave you awesome tools to do it.

Your argument is the profitability in ganking and I can suggest that many, many targets of opportunity exist for gankers to make SERIOUS coin notwithstanding the obvious freighter ganks.

What about the FW / Incursion / L4 boats - many with very high value faction/commander mods etc.

Why not we ask? Because it WILL require teamwork. It WILL require being SHOT AT. THAT'S YOUR PROBLEM.

Ganking is already easy AND profitable. You're just trying to justify easymode MINER ganking by theorizing about economics.

For the 1056th time, you made NO DIFFERENCE when it was EASY.

You couldn't do it then - your profession failed. You're failing now.

TL;DR You want easymode and you're making **** up to convince YOURSELVES that you're "neccessary". Everybody else sees it for the BS it is.



Its like every post you make contradicts something else you've spewed.

First you say that gankers abused the mechanic of ganking and forced CCP's hand.
Then you say that they were irrelevant and failed. Which is it?

You are OK with ganking haulers and freighters - but not ganking miners. Why, because you are a miner? Talk about gutless.

You claim that ganking is easy, but you've already demonstrated in other threads that you know nothing about ganking, so how would you know?

The evidence is clear - miners are very rarely ganked today because the economics of it have radically changed.
No amount of cleverness or fitting skill can change this. (and if someone DID figure out a good tactic, it would probably be declared an exploit and removed anyway...how do I know this? We've seen it, multiple times)

There was only one threat to High-sec miners in this game. One. The occasional ganker.
Whats left now, NPC frigates? What a joke.

Maybe T2 Strip Miners and T2 Ice Harvesters should have their construction costs modified to be worth about 75M each.
I bet that would balance things out nicely. If the average Mackinaw dropped 75-150M worth of loot, I bet teams of gankers would make it happen.
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#409 - 2012-10-06 23:33:15 UTC

Can we buff the ability of players to feel embarrassment at making yet another thread whining about how hard it is to get a group of friends together to go and blow up space piñatas? Ganking has to be hands down the easiest way to make ISK in the game. I might be wrong but I think continuing to whine that CCP refuses to make an option to have the target held down and gagged while you lube up is a little on the crazy side.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#410 - 2012-10-07 00:03:48 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:
moar tears about stuff he knows nothing about - he's just following the popular trend

And you Sir have no idea how to keep things in context.
Nor do you have any idea which posts you're being trolled on.

WHEN you can work that out. Come play.

I HAVE worked out that you're butthurt. I INTEND to make sure the pain remains.

HOW DOES IT FEEL?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
captain foivos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#411 - 2012-10-07 00:04:46 UTC
It FEELS LIKE you should STOP RANDOMLY actiVATING your CAPS lock.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#412 - 2012-10-07 00:08:37 UTC
captain foivos wrote:
It FEELS LIKE you should STOP RANDOMLY actiVATING your CAPS lock.

But Sir. It's neither random nor faulty.

It's working AS INTENDED.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#413 - 2012-10-07 00:10:18 UTC
Weiland Taur wrote:

Can we buff the ability of players to feel embarrassment at making yet another thread whining about how hard it is to get a group of friends together to go and blow up space piñatas? Ganking has to be hands down the easiest way to make ISK in the game. I might be wrong but I think continuing to whine that CCP refuses to make an option to have the target held down and gagged while you lube up is a little on the crazy side.

+1

Condensation of a soon to be 20 25 page whine.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#414 - 2012-10-07 00:11:20 UTC
What I see is Touval Lysander being contrary because he got curbstomped in the "Wasted Space" thread.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#415 - 2012-10-07 00:12:50 UTC
Darth Gustav wrote:
I'd just like to point out that there's a great thread over in the F&I about one way that ganking could legitimately be buffed.

It's the "Buff Smartbombs" thread, and it details how GSCs are employed by miners for the sole purpose of griefing gankers. This is because they are made outdated by the giant ore bays enjoyed by all exhumers and barges. Despite their obsolescence, they continue to litter vast swaths of space, griefing gankers by preventing them from activating the single remaining effective tactic for ganking miners.

That's the very definition of grief play.



Ho, my screen is full of coffee right now !!

You got me there Lol

brb
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#416 - 2012-10-07 00:15:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Touval Lysander
Lord Zim wrote:
What I see is Touval Lysander being contrary because he got curbstomped in the "Wasted Space" thread.

He did?

He was?

By whom. You?

roflmfao

You're a Goon. I could tell you the sky is blue and you'd argue. You said so yourself.

Actually it's quite funny Zim.

This thread is about miners who won't hang their ass out the window for 8 hours a day to make a few million and the motivation by gankers (apparently) is to keep prices high so everyone is happy.

You defended needing to hang your ass out the window making billions of passive income every hour of every day with the reasoning being that prices would rise and everyone would be unhappy.

Consistent aren't we.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#417 - 2012-10-07 00:25:12 UTC
sup
Bart Starr
Aggressive Structural Steel Expediting Services
#418 - 2012-10-07 00:25:25 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Bart Starr wrote:
moar tears about stuff he knows nothing about - he's just following the popular trend

And you Sir have no idea how to keep things in context.
Nor do you have any idea which posts you're being trolled on.

WHEN you can work that out. Come play.

I HAVE worked out that you're butthurt. I INTEND to make sure the pain remains.

HOW DOES IT FEEL?


Well, I generally I try to keep it on topic and present a reasonable argument.
You constantly contradict yourself....so I pointed that out.

But if you are just trolling and being irrational on purpose, thats fine. I have no problems with ignoring morons.

Its just unfortunate that I can't ignore the ISD Type40 or Greyscale.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#419 - 2012-10-07 00:28:53 UTC
Bart Starr wrote:

Its just unfortunate that I can't ignore the ISD Type40 or Greyscale.

Nope, they can't ignore you.

But that's what happens when "You constantly contradict yourself....[and] are just trolling and being irrational on purpose".

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Dank Man
#420 - 2012-10-07 00:28:55 UTC
are you saying ganking is hard? have you tried it? do you really stick with your original statement that it is only for a few? so easy now, couldnt get much easier. any nerf or buff would be dumb imo, only thing to maybe look at is bump mechanics...