EVE General Discussion

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My fellow highsec New Edeners,

From the conversation currently ongoing in this particular thread, some of the POD Pilot community would have you believe that our profession, the profession of mining, is now overpowered. That when we get into our barges, we are no longer vulnerable to their wicked ways. My friends, they are laying a trap for us.

This trap is one of the mind. These devious pilots are trying wholeheartedly to get you to drop your guard by saying our ships are too strong and that they can no longer violence our boats because the profit motive has dried up. I assure, they can gank our ships. A quick Battleclinic scan will reveal the truth about what is really happening out there. Unfortunately, I am unable to provide direct links to each gank per forum rules. These evil pilots will of course try to take advantage of this particular forum nerf to convince you "ganking is dieing".

Ganking is not dieing my friends. Tear gathering by the bucketful has been, and always will be, the goal of our nemesis. They will stop at nothing to harvest them and the forum propaganda campaign they are waging will not stop as a result.

Be vigilant. Fly safe. Enjoy our high yields brothers. We will prevail.

What's this “dieing” people keep talking about?
Some kind of new dice-rolling mechanic for WIS?

Is that a reference to City of Heroes?

I had to ask. You could /die in it. And it's literally in the process of dying.

So...

Is it?!?

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Olley your answer doesn't account for the increase in miners due to it being the path of no resistance. You're implying miners attain some equilibrium with their environment.

I don't believe that's a "given" here.

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A nerf to high-sec mining is a nerf to null-sec mining. They are using the same overpowered equipment.

My proposals are hollistic and consistent with keeping prices up for everyone. Bot operators and easy-mode ISK earning no-risk players alike do not share my sentiment, however.

It is curious that when confronted with the truth of null benefitting equally from the mining buff and the lower mineral prices for "rare minerals" that have resulted that you choose to no longer ply curiosity to this effect, and instead revert to, "No, they are not!"

Just sayin'.

So the argument is back to "we ignore the facts and just ask, 'why's it bother you?'" Because the facts are that what I predict will happen is happening.

So let's discuss why I care:

Eve Online has always been a game I enjoyed. I liked that nothing was sacred, beyond obvious exploits, and that it was a fairly risky place to do business. That meant that the success of the average player was largely dependent on their ability to adapt. Ultrayieldtankmachines aren't really an adaptation, as people have pointed out in the past. Eve has never seen anything like these boats. Ever.

And now they're virtually indestructible in high-sec. Well there you go. That's my problem. You keep talking about what Eve went through and survived. That's well and good. Well, it was never ever like this. And it isn't the right direction.

Resource interdiction needs to be a viable gameplay mechanism and right now, it's not very viable at all.

The market will not reach any equilibrium when there is literally no reistance to be met for mining whatever's most valuable this month. That's a big issue...it makes this game far less interesting.

Cheap ships mean cheap PVP means cheapened thrill.

Miners don't seem to be getting that. This isn't going to magically drive up demand. It will have quite the opposite effect.

dude, i hear ya but ganking, regardless of how hard/easy it might be is simply not logistically possible.

eve too big and not enough people care. you need a new plan.

i'll settle for a profit/not profit, fun/not fun debate on ganking but i think any kind of economic imperative argument just ain't gonna cut it.

Right, because originally ganking was a fair and balanced system, rather than an exploited system with no real structure or rules in place. I suppose you might call that repeatedly nerfed, but I'd just call it fixed, (almost).

Besides which, I think you've yet had little opportunity to figure out how this new system addresses both sides of the equation, as opposed to just 'nerfing' a style of gameplay as you are suggesting.

Sir I would direct you both to the threads "When Everybody Wins" and "A "Ganker's" View on Mining "Buffs".

There, I detail the projected ramifications of the buff/nerf dynamic for mining in some detail.

So far I am not demonstrated to be wrong.

I'm sorry your point was something about ganking and its design?

This game was based heavily on UO with the intent of open-world PVP even in "town."

So it always was in the design, by its inclusion in the design parameters.