EVE General Discussion

^ TRUTH ^ (not about Pipa directly, but about a very prevalent attitude around here)

If killrights broadcast who is chasing the criminal this system will be a complete failure. EVE needs some form of pvp that isn't camp on this side of the gate and hope that the target doesn't have a scouting alt.

If you kill someone and have rights upon your head you deserve whatever consequences that come from it.

I know i'll be Bounty Hunting all day err' day and I can't wait.

Love the changes!

I would like to see some iteration on bringing kill rights and bounty hunting together a little bit in the future.

An idea: If the bounty gets to a certain $$ threshold (perhaps hidden) there is a chance that a kill right is produced so that certain people would have to be on the lookout in empire space as well.

Anyways, keep up the good work. I am happy you are iterating on all of my ideas :)

Riedle

Looks like it might lead to even more interactions with players. That is always good. :)

You mean the solution I mentioned way back in post 67 of the thread (page 4), and explicitly outlined on post 119 (page 6)?

Allowing transferred Killrights to act as 1 man wardecs means that there is some cost to accepting a killright. It allows for fights to be interesting rather than simply being cost and consequence free ganks. It allows the hunted to hunt the hunter. It allows the hunted to prepare. It still allows the hunter to gang up on the target (collect a number of killrights).

Before someone comes in with "what about the victims," Suicide ganks come with a cost. Suicide ganks can be interesting if the target (or his friends) fights back. Suicide gank targets can lay traps for the hunters (by having prepared friends). Suicide gank targets can prepare. Their choice not to do this does not mean that the mechanics do not exist or are not effective.

So you're saying "D-Scan for every ship*" and be aware of ... who? There is no downside to accepting a killright, no way to discern a killright killmail from any other killmail, so there's no reason to assume there will be some sort of list of killright hunters.
What situations do you expect me to be aware of? "Oh no, common ship X is approaching me at a gate whatever could it be doing?"
Compare that to what attentive British Miners need to do to be sufficiently situationally aware:
"Charlie, be a chap and press that 2000km D-Scan, would you?"
"Why Certainly, George, would you like a cuppa while we wait?"
"Oh, I'm not sure it only takes a second to run"
"Quite right, there it is. What's this? 6 Catalyst class Destroyers? Do you suppose they're here with crumpets?"
"No, Charlie, not everyone practices the noble art of the afternoon tea"
"Well then, I suppose we ought to warp out then"
"Righto"
*ZOOM*


*Your assumption that every PVPer flies T2 ships is ridiculous. If I were going killright hunting, I'd probably use something like a Proteus. Or a HAM Legion. Or hell, a Mach. Because there is no risk to me, as they can't fire first, they can't bring friends, they have no effective tools to know I'm coming. Or, really any ship that can provide some DPS and can fit a modicum of tank (since I'll have my [per MasterPlan] CONCORD protected in-corp Logi waiting). Heck, a BattleSkiff would do nicely (though this would be one place where I would insist on a T2 hull).




Except that, as it costs the killright hunter nothing to accept a killright, all it means is that the miners sold that killright for a few pennies. I have no problem with people ganging up on me. My proposal back on page 6 (and repeated numerous times) explicitly allows killright holders to gang up on someone.

My problem is that blind transferrable killrights game mechanically guarantee surprise and the first shot, while virtually guaranteeing an overwhelming shiptype advantage (if you're hunting in a kestral and they're flying a Proteus, dock up and reship to something kitey), with the further guarantee that the target's friends cannot effectively assist him. All of that at no fixed cost to the hunter. If you can't win (and make a profit before ammo expenses) every single time under those conditions, there's something very wrong with you.

By the way, the Powerful gangsters usually had packs of friends who could effectively aid them. With killrights, Concord prohibits that. Secondly, in EVE terms, the guy with the killright on him has already been punished by the police. Killrights are analogous to the civil action that happens later (whose cause of action generally can't be transferred). Besides all that, RL analogies suck for EVE.

Such a system would be somewhat simple to make. The kill mails already displays value lost, and the bounties should revovle around this. If you inflict 200 million worth of damage on somone, then you get 200 million bounty if it was that high.

Catch is the bounty system only has to revolve around ships, not modules and not the cargohold. There are too many items in eve that the system can be manipulated to think people lost billions worth of items, when in fact its just a rare item no one cares about that has had its price manipulated. People would also speculate in buying items when they are cheap, but showing up expensive on the kill mails, for profit. In short you cant really manipulate ship prices from day to day at least because the volumes traded is just too big.

Anyway, if there are more than 1 person on the kill mail the bounty will be split.

this way already exists: address book. Add person into your AB and set standing -5/-10. Then you see him in local.

maybe now someone will able to claim my 1 billion bounty?

The whole idea of a bounty system is stupid in this game. Bounties don't work against immortals. Let me explain...

Hey guys, I'm placing a bounty on this really nasty criminal. I really want him dead.

Yeah but he's a capsuleer. He'll just come back to life in 5 minutes and carry on committing crime.

Yeah but at least we can annoy him by killing him.

So your plan to punish criminals is to spend a small fortune just to annoy them?

Uh-huh.