EVE General Discussion

bumping cause i need a dev blog to read

The victim doesn't need to pay anyone to learn who can legally shoot them. Nor do they need to pay anyone to learn who can illegally shoot them.

To learn when someone is likely to shoot them, all they need to do is press the d-scan button (due to the constraints involved in illegal HS aggression).


The consequence of crime in HS is that you lose your ship and your victim can shoot you in the future. How is being able to know who is legally allowed to shoot you escaping that consequence?


Name for me a current mechanic by which you unable to learn who is legally allowed to shoot you.

Why do the people clamoring for blind killright transfers require a game mechanically enforced element of surprise to be able to kill someone they can legally shoot (and who can't legally shoot them back first)(and who can't effectively bring friends to the party)?

You did not read the OP at all. The first post or two in a thread ... is it too much to ask to read that much?

You obviously have blatant issues if you believe that because there are winners and losers, players should do everything they can not to fall into the latter category, at the expense of their opponent's fun.

Traditional boardgames like Chess or Go are bound by extremely strict and very simple rules. It's absolutely impossible to cheese or borderline exploit in those. Gameplay prevents condoned griefing and pushing your opponent's buttons, something which is however the staple of all modern 'competitive' games, such as DOTA-likes, for example, the workings of which are byzantine (champions/items constantly balanced, engine flaws turned into gameplay) and the exact opposite of traditional boardgames, which are brilliantly simple and reward pure skill, not cheap shots.

Those traditional games are not 'competitive', in the way you envision this word, at all. To win, you don't have to "play to win". You just have to be better than your opponent, and focused. In modern online games, to win, having more pure skill doesn't cut it, you have to triple check every patch for new possibilities of cheese, or removal thereof. You must have the "play to win" mentality and be an annoyance.
If there's a bug that multiplies tenfold the damage of an item, you will use it non-stop until next patch because it's going to be so lolrandum to see people rage XDDD. While the majority of gamers won't, because it breaks immersion, and is plainly 'not fun'. You will call them 'scrubs' and mock them.

Winning has become more important than playing, for a minority of players that are into annoying people more than they are into playing make-believe and roleplaying pod pilots. They're not playing for ingame goals, they're using the game for and out-of-game one, reaping Schadenfreude.


It's okay to be competitive, in a broader sense than the one you delve upon. It's fun to 1v1 or have good clean fun with fleets of equal strength. You don't have to enter the 'play to win' mentality to be competitive. It's okay to just play make-believe. It's okay to respect your fellow gamer.


Online communities are actually socializing tools, and a good barometer to check where you're at. When all hell breaks loose IRL, where are you gonna stand? Will you gang up on people trying to mind their own business, because after all, it's only life, and they could have hid themselves better?
You will of course argue that IRL and online behavior have nothing in common, but guess what, ethics are context-irrelevant. Except if you completely roleplay, which is mighty fine, and something you ridicule.

And pray tell, what is sociopathy?

So you're saying that when you play Risk you make a beeline for Europe and shoot all your opponants equally?



What do you call the years of study it takes to become a strong chess player if not "playing to win?" What do you call inventing new tactics and keeping them secret until the crucial game if not "playing to win?"

Why did Go houses keep their opening and closing strategies a carefully guarded secret if they weren't "playing to win?"



Just like Chess and Go.



That's not competing. That's a game of tag football with your friends.

EvE is more like the NFL. Sure you could enter with a team prepared only to play tag football, but you'll be crushed and nobody will feel sorry for you.




DSM-IV-TR, Anti-Social Personality Disorder, AKA Sociopathy.
A) There is a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15 years, as indicated by three or more of the following:
failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest;
deception, as indicated by repeatedly lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure;
impulsiveness or failure to plan ahead;
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults;
reckless disregard for safety of self or others;
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain consistent work behavior or honor financial obligations;
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another;
B) The individual is at least age 18 years.
C) There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
D) The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of schizophrenia or a manic episode.

Because Suicide Ganking exists inside a Game, none of those criteria exist. There are maybe 2 criteria that you could stretch to fit, but you would look really silly as it would require you to assert that actions inside of a Game are morally equivalent to ones in real life.

Remember, EVE is an Opt-In environment. If you don't like the idea of people trying to win against you, don't opt in. By the way, what non-competitive activity do you do in EVE?

By the way, the 2 criteria you might be able to stretch would apply much more strongly to anyone who plays the game Diplomacy, a noted favorite of the Kennedy's and Henry Kissinger. If, y'know, in game actions had any valid moral comparison with real life ones.

very VERY soon!

that means within this hour?

or never :D




try looking here or here

yeah it's almost 4-7 in the morning in America :D those lazy bums should get up and read a dev blog earlier then if they are still sleeping

Also, at any given time there is a eve player asleep somewhere in the world :D we can't wait for all of them to be awake before releasing a dev blog <3

I just really like Americans!

also, do you know where I'm from Inquisitor Kitchner? I'm pretty well aware of 23 hour darkness