EVE General Discussion

I think I've sussed out Pippa's argument: everyone should be self-reliant, therefore miners who get ganked and lack the capacity to retaliate themselves have only themselves to blame.

Which is a cop-out. In the new system, miners have the ability to retaliate through the ISK they've earned. Hiring a bounty hunter is no different than contracting someone to gas-mine some resources for you, or use the market to buy equipment. No one lives in a vacuum (well, until they're podded, anyway). You're using your own resources to hire an outside specialist. You don't expect a real-life entrepreneur to build entire cars themselves: they hire others to do individual jobs to produce the final product.

In this case, the final product is getting the ganker blown to bits.

Right now, gankers can rely on killrights being restricted to one character to get virtual immunity from mining alts. Well, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. This winter, it'll be open season on gankers, which is much more interesting than forcing mining characters to suicide-kill as their only option for retaliation.

No, it's how EVE's Libertarian Dystopia works.



You already can. Hire a Mercenary to suicide gank the person you don't like.



And you already can. Hire a Mercenary to suicide gank the person you don't like.



The actual result of blind transferable, risk free killrights will be that people will either accept killrights for free or pay for the privilege of accepting a killright transfer. The assumption that you'll have to pay people for a risk free target is idiotic, just like the assumption that the ally system would result in people paying for allies to come on board.

are you guys excited about the dev blog?

Considering that 90% of all devblogs nowadays just announce horrible, barely functional mechanics that break entire aspects of the game and never see proper iteration, no, I am not particularly excited about the dev blog.

Well. I for one, am looking forward to the new bounty system! :D

Soon(tm) ??

Not really. The Crimewatch DevBlog was just an exercise rewarding Stupid and Lazy people at the expense of Smart and Industrious people, by devaluing the thought and effort they put into keeping themselves safe.

The AI Change Devblog was detailing how CCP was directly nerfing Ninja-Looting and Ratter hunting.

Nearly all of the recent crunchy DevBlogs have been announcing ways you're making HS safer.

I see no reason to believe the bounty system DevBlog will be any different.

now that's not very nice! *crosses hands*

I at least hope you'll like it

I hope I like it too. Just like I hope CCP will realize that constantly making HS safer is bad for the game. But hoping for something and expecting it are two very different things.

I'm glad you think that pointing out that CCP is making HS safe isn't nice, because it implies that you feel that making people safe in HS (or anywhere, I assume) isn't good for EVE.

Ninja looting is never done for the sake of looting and is 1000% done for the sake of making people annoyed enough to shoot you and make you have the ability to fight back. It is a lame PvP form, just suicide gank someone if you think its particularly worth killing their ship in a HS mission. If you see someone get ganked and want to ninja loot their wreck, do it in a ship that can warp off before others can benefit from your newly acquired suspect flag. You can't "ninja loot" in an industrial ship anyways...(well maybe a cloaky hauler).

Hunting ratters in low and null will be much easier, because they cannot merely log off and escape due to the NPC agression flag triggered while ratting. However, I'm not all that happy about the NPCs potentially engaging people who found others at a site in low/null fair and square...

Also, you can still ninja salvage, it just requires the ability to speed tank or the ability to kill frigs.

Gankbears do not care about the game. They care about the RL consequences on some unknown player who they grief. This is a form of sociopathy and would deserve permabanning in a nice world in which devs cared more about ingame immersion and freedom than revenue, and realized it takes much effort to trammelize everything so as to keep both carebears and gankbears subscribed.

Any multiplayer game is not the right game for gankbears, since they cannot play nice, and their roleplaying ability to impersonate criminals elements never exceeds lolrandum Veldspar Defence Force, the equivalent of "U mad? Oooh you so mad".


This "casualization" of high-sec, you and other gankbears brought it upon yourselves. I only hope it's not gonna make highsec shenanigans impossible or way too costly for anyone who really wishes to impersonate an ingame criminal, and weave exciting stories with fellow players.

When you quit EvE, go play Heroes of Newerth. It's full of tryhards thinking they're really clever because they push the cheese envelope all they can, and dudes who play to win, incapable of storytelling. You'll fit right in!