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Luthien Lituviel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-09-30 13:58:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Luthien Lituviel
hello,

I'm literally breaking my head on how to to fit a nightmare

1 whether to use a heavy cap booster or a cap recharger +flux coil
2 whether to use a gist or pith x-large shield booster


it has to be tanked for em/thermal so i took :
2x pith b-type em hardener
2x pith a-type thermic hardener
dread guristas shield boost amplifier

i checked some fits and it doesnt look like it should be cap stable.
But is tht with or without heavy cap booster 800 on?
Is it worth it putting a large ccc t2 on it? etc etc
and if ti doesnt have to be cap stable around how long should it be

obv its meant for pve nullsec ratting/plexing, but I first test it in a few lv4 to get used to it

thanks
bufnitza calatoare
#2 - 2012-09-30 14:30:44 UTC
ok there is two options you can use.

bring a logistics alt such as a scimitar.

or something like this..
with 2x 5% cap implants its cap stable.
fit appropriate drones to suit.
this is the same fit I used to use to run blood sanctums all day everyday.
it can also do 5/6 blood/sansha plex's anything more I am not sure about.

if you are going to bring a scimitar alt.. ditch the sba and shield booster in return for shield extenders.

[Nightmare]
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer
Republic Fleet Tracking Enhancer

Pithum A-Type Medium Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Gist A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Cap Recharger II

Imperial Navy Mega Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Mega Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Mega Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
Imperial Navy Mega Beam Laser, Multifrequency L
[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

oh and let haters hate the above fit when used on missions allowed me to make some 75m over 2 years using a racial tank.
Luthien Lituviel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-09-30 15:06:53 UTC
Thanks for your fitting

but for the next few months i wont be taking a scimi with me. And though i think its great for missions im afraid its tank cant hold solo for what i plan to do with it in nullsec
I think it needs either a large or x-large shieeld boost for tht but yes tht makes it very hard to near impossible to make it cap stable
Anabella'Zorrah
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-09-30 15:14:25 UTC
AFAIK, and forgive any misgivings please, i don't fly shield ships often, and never flown a night outside of incursions.
but the Pith boosters rep the most, and thus are easier to pulse. use a cap booster with this i think.

the Gist boosters take less cap and thus are easier to make cap stable, see if you can do this without sacrificing to much, if not, use a cap booster.

but you might wanna plug your API into EFT or Pyfa, and see what either one does for you.
bufnitza calatoare
#5 - 2012-09-30 15:24:42 UTC
Luthien Lituviel wrote:
Thanks for your fitting

but for the next few months i wont be taking a scimi with me. And though i think its great for missions im afraid its tank cant hold solo for what i plan to do with it in nullsec
I think it needs either a large or x-large shieeld boost for tht but yes tht makes it very hard to near impossible to make it cap stable



it can solo any anom and upto 7/10's beyond that I have no clue. one thing you MUST look at is will you be able to maintain your tank with a XL long enough to kill off enough incoming damage.

there are some bullshit nm fits out there that use 2 cpr's imo that's bullshit. may as well go smaller shield booster with higher resis's.

tbh only way you are gonna figure things out is to jump on sisi and experiment.
Luthien Lituviel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-09-30 15:25:11 UTC
Anabella'Zorrah wrote:


but you might wanna plug your API into EFT or Pyfa, and see what either one does for you.



yes i tried but i have not got a clear image yet of whats wise to have in:

minutes of capacitor / and or tank and wetehr its more usefull to have a pulse tank or a less pulse tank


and its a little bit too expensive to test all possibilities :)


the gist xl boosters are stable when used a heavy cap booster and the pith xl is actually never stable
Nestara Aldent
Citimatics
#7 - 2012-09-30 15:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Nestara Aldent
If you wanna make it capstable, its really hard with x-large booster. The best I was able to achieve is to make it capstable without guns.

[Nightmare, tach NM]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith A-Type Thermic Dissipation Field
Pith A-Type EM Ward Field
Pith A-Type EM Ward Field
Gist A-Type X-Large Shield Booster
Pith A-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Cap Recharger II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Core Defense Capacitor Safeguard I


Warrior II x5


However do you really need this level of tank? (I never did complexes in low or null?) It have like 1300+ tank vs. EM 1600+ vs Thermal.

Also, I'd try paired XL ASB instead of cap boosted setup.

With XL ASB its stable, like this:

[Nightmare, tach NM]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Imperial Navy Heat Sink

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
EM Ward Field II
EM Ward Field II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Cap Recharger II

[empty high slot]
[empty high slot]
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L
Tachyon Beam Laser II, Gleam L

Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Energy Discharge Elutriation II
Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Warrior II x5

Tank is 2500-2600 vs EM/Thermal, with A-type hardeners 3500+
Luthien Lituviel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-09-30 20:27:13 UTC
i tried the a/b-type xl gist and i think its the bets option unless you want higher pulse shorter cap

i thank you all for your help /time and input

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Marcus Blackthorn
Royal Assassins Guild
Chained Reactions
#9 - 2012-10-01 05:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Blackthorn
Deleting stupid question What?
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#10 - 2012-10-01 11:24:02 UTC
Don't be scared of fitting two long range nos.

X type can go 42k and are still rather cheap for complex item.

Nos work now in pve so try it. You just might like it.