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Scammed by Goonswarm(yes i hear it happens alot) NEW PLAYERS MUST READ!!

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Raziel Malphaz
Doomheim
#101 - 2012-10-01 00:06:28 UTC
Andski wrote:
This is upsetting. As a Goonswarm Federation director, I must say that we do not approve of recruitment scams - who was the member that scammed you?

(As a Goonswarm Federation director, I am also available as a third party for transactions such as supercapital trades as well, at a competitive rate!)


as requested these are the names(characters) which scammed me, they still exist and are part of Goonwaffe from alliance Goonswarm Federation;

Ivan Isakov
Robus Muvila
Goonswarm Recruitment
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#102 - 2012-10-01 00:29:18 UTC
How cool is a game in which a new player naively spends RL money for ingame currency, and naively follows a fully credible yet false recruitment/real scam procedure?

Do you, new player, actually realize the PLEX you bought and sold for isk has a fair chance of having been bought back ingame by goons? Which means, you paid for their subscription, and they got their isk back by scamming you.

This 'game' allows one to play for free by taking advantage of other people's lack of malice, and their belief that people playing video games share some form of common decency instead of solipsistic absolute relativism.

Do you really want to be a part of such a community?
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#103 - 2012-10-01 00:34:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
This 'game' allows one to play for free by taking advantage of other people's lack of malice, and their belief that people playing video games share some form of common decency instead of solipsistic absolute relativism.

Do you really want to be a part of such a community?
Personally no not really, when one has to put up with humans acting human all day, why would anyone wanna put up with the same crap during their recreational gaming time? Thing is I already paid for three months and I'm a stubborn bastard, community asshattery be damned, I wanna fly a Brutix. Pirate
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#104 - 2012-10-01 02:34:18 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
This 'game' allows one to play for free by taking advantage of other people's lack of malice, and their belief that people playing video games share some form of common decency instead of solipsistic absolute relativism.

Do you really want to be a part of such a community?
Personally no not really, when one has to put up with humans acting human all day, why would anyone wanna put up with the same crap during their recreational gaming time? Thing is I already paid for three months and I'm a stubborn bastard, community asshattery be damned, I wanna fly a Brutix. Pirate


If you don't want to interact with other humans, go single player.
Samahiel Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-10-01 02:34:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Samahiel Sotken
Paul Oliver wrote:
Like a virus that infects MMOs. Could we maybe get a list of games you asshats don't play?


There are something like 165,000 registered members on SomethingAwful.com only a very small percentage of them play EVE. I would contend it's almost completely impossible to find a game we don't play in some significant numbers. Hell we run dozens of private game servers for WoW, Minecraft, DayZ, and the like.

Unfortunately for you, EVE probably has the most abrasive of the goon enclaves. Most other games we're a little bit more approachable. Though in either case we hold our allies to a high standard of posting and chillaxness so you're probably SOL.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#106 - 2012-10-01 02:56:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Oliver
Samahiel Sotken wrote:
Unfortunately for you, EVE probably has the most abrasive of the goon enclaves. Most other games we're a little bit more approachable. Though in either case we hold our allies to a high standard of posting and chillaxness so you're probably SOL.
In what reality could you possibly think I would consider you, any member of your alliance, or your online community, an allie? Nothing personal but as a Goon you and your comrades epitomize multiple aspects of the human condition that I personally despise.

Frostys Virpio wrote:
If you don't want to interact with other humans, go single player.
Its not that I don't want to interact with humans, its just that I don't want to interact with human assholes. P
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#107 - 2012-10-01 03:56:34 UTC
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I know that certain practices in EVE are frowned upon by some players, but scamming is a perfectly acceptable past time in EVE. It is also a perfectly acceptable thing to do to make other people aware of potential scams, this is one of the great things about EVE and her community.

What isn't acceptable behaviour is resorting to hurling personal insults around. Doing so does nothing to further a discussion, is quite likely to lead to anything you say being dismissed by those you are trying to help, and is also a breach of numerous forum rules. So lets keep it as civil as possible and we can all enjoy the drama of scams, counter scams and good samaritan acts that make EVE a vibrant place to live Big smile


No offense you should know its not legal to scam in the recruitment channel.

If it wasn't in the recruitment channel it is still "legal".

Its pretty ironic because of the Soundwave quote about some of the players not making it being a good thing. I understand what he meant but if you put that quote next to a Goon recruitment scam for people to see it will certainly put a dent in new subs.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-10-01 04:10:55 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
No offense you should know its not legal to scam in the recruitment channel.

If it wasn't in the recruitment channel it is still "legal".

Its pretty ironic because of the Soundwave quote about some of the players not making it being a good thing. I understand what he meant but if you put that quote next to a Goon recruitment scam for people to see it will certainly put a dent in new subs.


The rule against using the recruitment channel to find marks was lifted long ago. Scamming in the recruitment channel would be more along the lines of linking scam contracts or whatever, which isn't allowed (nor is "legitimate" trading, for that matter)

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#109 - 2012-10-01 04:35:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Andski wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
No offense you should know its not legal to scam in the recruitment channel.

If it wasn't in the recruitment channel it is still "legal".

Its pretty ironic because of the Soundwave quote about some of the players not making it being a good thing. I understand what he meant but if you put that quote next to a Goon recruitment scam for people to see it will certainly put a dent in new subs.


The rule against using the recruitment channel to find marks was lifted long ago. Scamming in the recruitment channel would be more along the lines of linking scam contracts or whatever, which isn't allowed (nor is "legitimate" trading, for that matter)

I fully support what the goons do on almost every level, however I have to admit that this is the one area where I sometimes wish they would lighten up a little.

I fully realize that new players need to find out at some point that no one is holding their hands... that they must look out for themselves... but I think that often people haven't had a fair chance to develop that mindset yet when they get hit by this.

I just get concerned that it sometimes costs us what would eventually be some very good players.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want CCP to come down on it in some heavy handed way, that would do far more harm than good.

I just wish it could be a decision that your organization made internally.

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Orzo Torasson
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2012-10-01 07:37:54 UTC
I am sorry that an errant member of Goonswarm has scammed you, this is a tragic situation for new players and I firmly believe that CCP should ban scamming in all its forms.

The fact that they promised to carrier jump your items in for free is simply ridiculous- for half of what you paid them, I will be able to give you your own carrier so that you can do it yourself, risk free.

No risk, no fuss and your own carrier. TEST Alliance Please Ignore Recruitment.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#111 - 2012-10-01 08:39:46 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
ISD TYPE40 wrote:
I know that certain practices in EVE are frowned upon by some players, but scamming is a perfectly acceptable past time in EVE. It is also a perfectly acceptable thing to do to make other people aware of potential scams, this is one of the great things about EVE and her community.

What isn't acceptable behaviour is resorting to hurling personal insults around. Doing so does nothing to further a discussion, is quite likely to lead to anything you say being dismissed by those you are trying to help, and is also a breach of numerous forum rules. So lets keep it as civil as possible and we can all enjoy the drama of scams, counter scams and good samaritan acts that make EVE a vibrant place to live Big smile


No offense you should know its not legal to scam in the recruitment channel.

If it wasn't in the recruitment channel it is still "legal".

Its pretty ironic because of the Soundwave quote about some of the players not making it being a good thing. I understand what he meant but if you put that quote next to a Goon recruitment scam for people to see it will certainly put a dent in new subs.



I thought the ban on scamming from the recruitment channel was lifted? has it been replaced?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#112 - 2012-10-01 08:52:24 UTC
If it was lifted a link should be readily available?

My bad if its is (the rule reneged).

It didnt seem like this was the case of the OP either way.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
OT Smithers
A Farewell To Kings...
Dock Workers
#113 - 2012-10-01 08:52:28 UTC
Joining goonwarm was easy for me. A senior commanding officer told me that all i needed was to pay 500 million isk or 1 plex and he would take care of me. He was very nice and helpful. He even sent me a link to where i could buy a plex from. when i told him i did not half any real world money he talked me through using my moms credit card and everything.

And his help did not stop there. so far he has also AT HIS OWN EXPENSE moved all my stuff out to goon space for me. TOTALLY FREE! and he did all this for me even though my application has not even finished yet.

Even better he offered me the special ADVANCED PROMOTION option. For only one more plex or 500 milllon isk i will be guaranteed the rank of GOON CORPORAL once i finish my training. that means that i will be almost an officer. Pretty cool! he also said once i was in goonspace he would show me the goon secrets for turning isk into real money and that i could pay my mom back before she noticed the money i spent on her card.

My only complaint, and this is MINOR and i am not complaining (as a future good officer i would never do that) is that they are pretty slow processing applications. I half been sitting in Jita in my Ibiss for two weeks now and still no word. But thats probably because i think my recruiter is on vacation. hopefully he is back soon.

if anyone is interested in talking to my recruiter and joining i will be happy to put you in touch with him once he gets back in game.
flakeys
Doomheim
#114 - 2012-10-01 09:03:56 UTC
Ryhss wrote:
There needs to be a campaign where all alliances war dec the goons and we destroy them.. All in game of course, bet they're cool guys in real life



The man with a plan Roll

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
ISD TYPE40
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#115 - 2012-10-01 09:32:35 UTC
Time to shift this thread over to Crime & Punishment I think. Alonsee!!! - ISD Type40.

[b]ISD Type40 Lt. Commander Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
WTFAMILOOKINGAT
Horizon Research Group
#116 - 2012-10-01 11:14:12 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Its not that I don't want to interact with humans, its just that I don't want to interact with human assholes. P


Do you honestly expect to find any community on the internet, anywhere, where this isn't the case? Dude you're a fuckin idiot.

Also, you really don't come off as champion of the n00bs, you come off as someone the goons screwed over and now you're bitter about it. Might want to dial it back. Just sayin...
Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#117 - 2012-10-01 12:01:46 UTC
Goons?

Scamming noobs?

Impossible, Goons are honorable internet spaceship pilots.

Cool


However, since this could have been a simple clerical error, OP, for only 250 million ISK I, personally, will call The Mittani at his palatial secret vacation hideaway and inform him of any dastardly shenanigans involving the good name of his alliance.


Bear

Everything in EVE is a trap.

And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.

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Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-10-01 13:43:17 UTC
hummm... I did say last week in another thread it is about time we should see another GOON scam thread when somebody posted about another obvious and old scam.

And look what we have here.

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#119 - 2012-10-01 13:54:36 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Andski wrote:
Cipher Jones wrote:
No offense you should know its not legal to scam in the recruitment channel.

If it wasn't in the recruitment channel it is still "legal".

Its pretty ironic because of the Soundwave quote about some of the players not making it being a good thing. I understand what he meant but if you put that quote next to a Goon recruitment scam for people to see it will certainly put a dent in new subs.


The rule against using the recruitment channel to find marks was lifted long ago. Scamming in the recruitment channel would be more along the lines of linking scam contracts or whatever, which isn't allowed (nor is "legitimate" trading, for that matter)

I fully support what the goons do on almost every level, however I have to admit that this is the one area where I sometimes wish they would lighten up a little.

I fully realize that new players need to find out at some point that no one is holding their hands... that they must look out for themselves... but I think that often people haven't had a fair chance to develop that mindset yet when they get hit by this.

I just get concerned that it sometimes costs us what would eventually be some very good players.

Don't get me wrong, I don't want CCP to come down on it in some heavy handed way, that would do far more harm than good.

I just wish it could be a decision that your organization made internally.


There is literally nothing we can do to police recruitment scams to prevent people from scamming legitimate newbies and such a thing isn't even on the totem pole of org priorities.

But a new player is rarely a lucrative target for a scam unless they've purchased PLEX. The usual guideline is 3 months or older, and by your third month you should know that you can get scammed in EVE. Many of our marks, including all of my own, are years-old veterans who are either totally oblivious to this fact or aware that scamming exists in EVE but gullible enough to fall for it anyway.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#120 - 2012-10-01 14:37:39 UTC
Andski wrote:

There is literally nothing we can do to police recruitment scams to prevent people from scamming legitimate newbies and such a thing isn't even on the totem pole of org priorities.

But a new player is rarely a lucrative target for a scam unless they've purchased PLEX. The usual guideline is 3 months or older, and by your third month you should know that you can get scammed in EVE. Many of our marks, including all of my own, are years-old veterans who are either totally oblivious to this fact or aware that scamming exists in EVE but gullible enough to fall for it anyway.


The fact that year old player fall for scams like that is sad.