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ECM is Killing Solo PvP
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luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#101 - 2012-09-30 13:49:31 UTC
Whiners are killing solo PVP.

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Bubanni
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#102 - 2012-09-30 14:20:46 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Suvetar
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Bubanni wrote:
The argument that ECM ships have no tank is bad also... you could just fit some lol... it's no different from your demand that people should fit ECCM.


You haven't actually flown ECM ships have you?


What difference does that make? I know exactly what fitting tank to a falcon does... it Gimps mobility and total ecm capability (1600 mm plate is increases chance to be caught with pants down)

As I said I don't mind being in fleets with ecm, but that doesn't change how much I dislike ecm.

Ecm isn't overpowered, its simply imbalanced, specially compared to all other ewars
Most of the people who are butt mad about others suggesting ecm being nerfed in any way obviously the same people fielding ecm :) not wanting to be nerfed

When I am calling for this change, I am unpartison as my fleets often has a falcon or 3 with us, it would a nerf to us too... but I rant because I care about the game also, I want the game to become better.

Edit: snipped offensive reference - ISD Suvetar

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SMT008
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#103 - 2012-09-30 14:29:06 UTC
Fly 100MN Tengus and give no fscks about ECM.

If you're not jammed, shoot it. If you are, switch to FOF, rush at him with your 4km/s Tengu and shoot it until it warps out.

That's the ship that can deal with ECM the easiest, if you ask me.
Prog0
Doomheim
#104 - 2012-09-30 15:15:43 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
DFA200 wrote:
It still disables a ship for 25-30 secs, which is exactly how i remember it from 1-2 years ago. So if it has been "weakened", it's clearly not enough.


Range matters. It matters quite a lot for a ship that has little to no tank.

The ECM Formula was nerfed (you're much more likely to miss a jam) and ECM ranges were nerfed (you have to be much closer).

Not when it's actual mechanic that is overpowered/broken.
Ptraci wrote:
Cry me a river. Do you have any idea just how easy it is to pop a falcon

No, i don't. Why don't you tell me how easy it is to pop something when your jammed.
Jock Johnson
We Are Down Syndrome
#105 - 2012-09-30 15:19:04 UTC
Quote:
ECM is Killing Solo PvP


ECM has been there for years. It is, in no way, "killing it".
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Doomheim
#106 - 2012-09-30 15:20:05 UTC
BECAUSE OF FALCON!

Btw 2007 called they want their topic back.
Pipa Porto
#107 - 2012-09-30 20:41:17 UTC
Prog0 wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
DFA200 wrote:
It still disables a ship for 25-30 secs, which is exactly how i remember it from 1-2 years ago. So if it has been "weakened", it's clearly not enough.


Range matters. It matters quite a lot for a ship that has little to no tank.

The ECM Formula was nerfed (you're much more likely to miss a jam) and ECM ranges were nerfed (you have to be much closer).

Not when it's actual mechanic that is overpowered/broken.



Except that it's not overpowered. A Falcon can jam one, maybe two ships of a given race, assuming that's one of the races the Falcon brought 2 jammers for. Bring 2 or 3 ships of the same race and the Falcon's gonna be running off field.

Add ECCM to that, and a Falcon's unlikely to keep one ship totally locked down.

Just because you have a hard time dealing with ECM Solo and don't realize that teams beat solo any day of the week, doesn't mean the mechanic is overpowered.

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Ptraci wrote:
Cry me a river. Do you have any idea just how easy it is to pop a falcon

No, i don't. Why don't you tell me how easy it is to pop something when your jammed.


Don't fight people with Falcons if you don't have the ability to keep a ship unjammed.

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Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#108 - 2012-09-30 20:46:15 UTC
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.

The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable.

So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target.

Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull.

I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.


Join RVB. you can ask fro a 1v1 anytime you like and there is no ECM
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#109 - 2012-09-30 21:59:52 UTC
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Doyey3731 wrote:
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.

The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable.

So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target.

Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull.

I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.


Join RVB. you can ask fro a 1v1 anytime you like and there is no ECM


If I joined a PvP corp again, it would be RvB :D
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#110 - 2012-09-30 21:59:58 UTC
Prog0 wrote:

No, i don't. Why don't you tell me how easy it is to pop something when your jammed.


You have drones right?
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#111 - 2012-09-30 22:17:46 UTC
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#112 - 2012-09-30 23:19:49 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Just because you have a hard time dealing with ECM Solo and don't realize that teams beat solo any day of the week, doesn't mean the mechanic is overpowered.

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Pandemic Horde
#113 - 2012-09-30 23:22:31 UTC
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Shi Xia
Killing With Kindness
#114 - 2012-10-01 08:40:23 UTC
I get the point of ECM being fine where gangs and large fleets are involved...if there's more than 1v1 then it's easier to counter ECM. And yes--if you're going solo don't expect to come out ahead when you go against multiple targets. I've been on both sides and agree that in those situations it is justifiable. But, talking about ECM in gangs/fleets wasn't the OP's point here.

I like soloing...I expect to die lots and I do, just as well I win sometimes (Solo PvP is not dead, just difficult and limiting). When I choose to solo I do my best to pick my targets carefully. The other day I engaged in a 1v1 at a FW plex...Thrasher vs Thrasher. He had ECM and I didn't. I was dead in the water and I died. (Thrashers have no drones & 1 launcher w/ FoF won't do much) Kinda crappy. Seems to me in that scenario ECM is too powerful and as others have stated; maybe it would be better if it didn't have the ability to completely render a target inert. Perhaps making ECM mods specific to ECM boats...kinda like the CovOps Cloak can only be used on CovOps ships. It just seems wrong when a player with no skill or training can fit the one button win mod and nullify anyone else on the field.



Pipa Porto
#115 - 2012-10-01 09:23:05 UTC
Shi Xia wrote:
I get the point of ECM being fine where gangs and large fleets are involved...if there's more than 1v1 then it's easier to counter ECM. And yes--if you're going solo don't expect to come out ahead when you go against multiple targets. I've been on both sides and agree that in those situations it is justifiable. But, talking about ECM in gangs/fleets wasn't the OP's point here.

I like soloing...I expect to die lots and I do, just as well I win sometimes (Solo PvP is not dead, just difficult and limiting). When I choose to solo I do my best to pick my targets carefully. The other day I engaged in a 1v1 at a FW plex...Thrasher vs Thrasher. He had ECM and I didn't. I was dead in the water and I died. (Thrashers have no drones & 1 launcher w/ FoF won't do much) Kinda crappy. Seems to me in that scenario ECM is too powerful and as others have stated; maybe it would be better if it didn't have the ability to completely render a target inert. Perhaps making ECM mods specific to ECM boats...kinda like the CovOps Cloak can only be used on CovOps ships. It just seems wrong when a player with no skill or training can fit the one button win mod and nullify anyone else on the field.


He gimped his fit and got lucky that the jam hit. He was either using Multispecs and got really lucky or Minnie jammers and got lucky that you brought a minnie ship.

Had the jam not hit, you would have killed him and been laughing about his fit.

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Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#116 - 2012-10-01 09:44:48 UTC
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-10-01 13:54:49 UTC
Doyey3731 wrote:
Small gang is good too, but I like going it alone at times. Solo PvP is the best ... when you can actually get it.


You are complaining you don't get SOLO PVP in your double X-ASB Maelstrom?
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#118 - 2012-10-01 18:34:56 UTC
I'm not always in a Maelstrom, or does your computer not have the ability to load more than 2 kills?
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#119 - 2012-10-01 18:35:51 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
AAAarekillingthisgame.



I don't get your point.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#120 - 2012-10-01 18:39:37 UTC
Danny John-Peter wrote:
AAAarekillingthisgame.

You're just mad that Provi is fun to burn.

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