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ECM is Killing Solo PvP
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Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#1 - 2012-09-28 19:08:56 UTC
Well not that alone, but it's certainly playing it's part.

I like going out for a roam alone and losing a ship. I'm not into the whole large gang stuff, been there done that. So I like going out, knowing I'm going to die but try and get a kill or two before I do.

The last few times I have, I've been blobbed which is great and to be expected, but I can't get a shot off most of the time which is what hacks me off. A crappy T1 hull cruiser can sit many KM from me and stop me from firing a single shot. It's so dull and predictable now. There is no effective counter against it. I can put some ECCM on there, but that's about as useful as a condom machine in the Vatican, and wastes midslots so shield tanking is out of the question. I tried ECM drones last time out and put them straight on the ECM boat, but nada. Granted it was a T2 boat this time, but that shouldn't mean it's invulnerable.

So I could try a drone boat, but that leaves me with just a handful of subcaps I can fly and hope my drones pick the right target.

Maybe it's just me. I expect the ECM pilots think it's great that they can make a 300m Maelstrom die with a murmur in their crappy T1 hull.

I don't mind dying in a glorious fire with all guns blazing, but not being able to fire my guns makes me a sad Minmatar.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2012-09-28 19:11:24 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#3 - 2012-09-28 19:13:58 UTC
ECM
HML Nerf
Cane Nerf
Off Grid Boosters
Blobs
Goons
ASB
Goons
Nano Nerf
Closed socket
Neutral Logi
Goons
Plex Price

Nothing is killing solo PVP. Those things already killed solo PVP. Good day!

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-28 19:17:44 UTC
So you fly around in most likely a double XL ASB maelstrom with links/crystals and you are complaining about ECM being broken?

Pot, meet kettle

P.S. Solo pvpers who don't fail know how to fly a maelstrom and reapproach gate and jump out when perma jammed.
Jax Bederen
Dark Horse RM
#5 - 2012-09-28 19:18:21 UTC
This game is made for blobs and it is what it is. It's a good idea for fleets adding more dimensions to the fights, but for solo it's a bad mechanic. Play another game for solo pvp anyway, why waste hours floating about when you can just jump into pvp elsewhere.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#6 - 2012-09-28 19:19:12 UTC
Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums?

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#7 - 2012-09-28 19:20:02 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
So you fly around in most likely a double XL ASB maelstrom with links/crystals and you are complaining about ECM being broken?

Pot, meet kettle

P.S. Solo pvpers who don't fail know how to fly a maelstrom and reapproach gate and jump out when perma jammed.


Please tell me how to reapproach gate when scrammed/webbed.

No crystals .. like I said, I die a lot. I just like to go out with all guns blazing.
Paul Oliver
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-09-28 19:20:23 UTC
Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. Straight
Its good to be [Gallente](http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1209/QEQlJ.jpg).
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#9 - 2012-09-28 19:20:49 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums?


worked for minersStraight
Doyey3731
Tactical Feed.
Pandemic Horde
#10 - 2012-09-28 19:23:43 UTC
Paul Oliver wrote:
Small gang pvp better not be dead, I'm Gallente combat specializing. Straight


Small gang is good too, but I like going it alone at times. Solo PvP is the best ... when you can actually get it.
malcovas Henderson
THoF
#11 - 2012-09-28 19:24:44 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums?


worked for minersStraight


And now gankers are doing it Evil


o7
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-09-28 19:25:16 UTC  |  Edited by: highonpop
ECCM?

Roll


nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to...Roll


edit:

nvm, i Just realized OP is -A-c , he probably doesnt even understand what I said.

FC, what do?
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#13 - 2012-09-28 19:29:58 UTC
highonpop wrote:

nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to...Roll



Sure, why not gimp your fit in order to account for a ship that can probably jam you even with counter-ECCM fit?

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2012-09-28 19:31:56 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:



And now gankers are doing it Evil


o7


Kinda hard to adapt to the impossibleBlink
highonpop
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#15 - 2012-09-28 19:32:46 UTC
TheBreadMuncher wrote:
highonpop wrote:

nah, why would you want to fit your ship to counter ECM? Just complain in the GD section until CCP nerfs what you refuse to adapt to...Roll



Sure, why not gimp your fit in order to account for a ship that can probably jam you even with counter-ECCM fit?


Well you have 2 options.

Try and compensate or learn to counter ECM

or

Complain




Most people around here just complain

FC, what do?
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#16 - 2012-09-28 19:38:31 UTC
I think ECM is pretty broken as an EWAR in general. The ability to completely break locks (and thus break ALL offensive or RR modules is a tad bit crap).

I proposed an idea in F&I that got equally flamed/supported that proposed to change the ECM effect to disabling hislots of a target ship, removing the hit-or-miss drawback of ECM and also removing the absolutely crippling effect of breaking locks entirely. This way, mids (scrams, webs, etc) and lock can remain in place, but depending on how strong the jam is, you could be -8 hislots removing the ability to shoot, RR, command boost, smartbomb, bomb-bomb...

This way ECM boats can focus on taking DPS/logi/command bonuses (when they have to be there) off the field instead of taking other ECM boats off the field... and ECCM won't seem like a gamble for a mod since the chance-based system could still jam you if you are an unlucky bastard.

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!
Bubanni
Primal Instinct Inc.
The Initiative.
#17 - 2012-09-28 19:41:59 UTC
I feel you bro, I went out to solo with my domi the other day, planning to lose it in a good fight... warped into a bubble 60 off a gate intentionally to get a fight vs, sabre, daredevil and cynabal... then falcon uncloaked and I was then perma jammed until I died...(ecm drones were also on me)

It ruins the fun of it from the guy being jammed.... it is fun for the guys jamming :)
But yes, it basicly ruins solo as you can't even die fighting

Supercap nerf - change ewar immunity https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=194759 Module activation delay! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1180934
TheBreadMuncher
Protus Correction Facility Inc.
#18 - 2012-09-28 19:45:32 UTC
highonpop wrote:
Try and compensate or learn to counter ECM


Compensate against a module that shuts off all projected effects from a ship...

Learn to counter ECM through pure player skill...

Both are impossible unless you know you're going against ECM. 99% of the time, you won't.

"We will create the introduction thread if that is requested by the community. Also, we will have an ISD Seminar about the CCL team in the coming weeks in which you can ask your questions about the CCL team and provide some constructive feedback to us." - Countless pages of locked threads and numerous permabanned accounts later, change is coming.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-28 19:47:14 UTC
malcovas Henderson wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Why learn to fight, when you can simply dock up and rage on the forums?


worked for minersStraight


And now gankers are doing it Evil


o7


fighting fire with fire you miners should never have introduced us to this type of warfare

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Athena Themis
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-09-28 19:50:19 UTC
Deal with it.
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