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Lowsec incursions break the constellation they're in

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Jim Era
#21 - 2012-09-27 22:51:16 UTC
OP, go be bad somewhere else.

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Apoctasy
GentIeman Bastards
Something Really Pretentious
#22 - 2012-09-27 22:51:27 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Posting in mad thread. OP doesn't think a Sansha invasion and lockdown of a constellation should feel like a Sansha invasion and lockdown of a constellation.
If it means breaking the game to the extent that you can't move system unless you are cloaky or in a fleet, then yes, you're right. I think it should have the damage penalties, the risk penalties, the sites should require fleets, et. but I think limiting players movement to the extent that they can't leave their home system unless they are one of two things is not good game design, it's something ******** being rammed down my throat that stops me from playing the game until it's done.

I know who Sansha is but I don't care. Story time is nice and all but I play for the gameplay, not the 'wait until this is over so you can actually move around again'. That's not fun. Tough sites are fun. PvP is fun. Getting caught on a gate by rats you can't shake off because of their speed or kill because of their tank meaning you are guaranteed to die is not fun. Removing the PvP and free movement of low sec is not fun.

I know what lowsec incursions are like, and have even lost a ship to one due to brainless piloting (oops).

Treat the incursion rats as if they were player ships. Fly a frigate or cruiser, or fly your pod. Sansha very rarely catch frigates, cruisers can tank it and are fast enough to jump back through, and NPCs do not fire on pods. Alternatively, MWD/cloak your ship. Another solution: get some friends and fight the incursion.

Seriously, whining about incursion rats "breaking" your constellation is as bad as whining about the Heretics camping Amamake, or smartbomb camps on the way to Jita. Or, if you want NPC-related whine examples of equal badditude: whining about rat DPS not allowing easy solo mining in nullsec or gravimetric sites, Ewar rats shutting you down in a mission, etc.

All of these problems have very simple solutions, and I doubt the forum community will sympathize much with you on this.

(BTW, PvP in incursion areas is great, if you can find targets)


The difference is that one consists of players and once consists of pve. I know most lowsec denizens would rather have nothing at all to do with pve, so these 'incursion' things are just a massive annoyance. I would rather run into players camping a gate than lame incursion rats.

Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#23 - 2012-09-27 22:56:21 UTC
Incursions should include being popped on highsec gates too.

Just sayin'.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#24 - 2012-09-27 22:57:38 UTC
Apoctasy wrote:
The difference is that one consists of players and once consists of pve. I know most lowsec denizens would rather have nothing at all to do with pve, so these 'incursion' things are just a massive annoyance. I would rather run into players camping a gate than lame incursion rats.

Heaven forbid lowsec have risks associated with it.

Don't assume you "know" lowsec denizens if you're not one (for that matter, don't assume to "know" anyone). So far as PvE, lowsec has good exploration possibilities (and isn't overfarmed like hisec is), half-decent mining (if you stay at your keyboard), some industry possibilities, FW, and other stuff. The incursions are a degree of difficulty above everything else and to not be ignorable, but they were designed to do that.

As a PvP lowsec denizen, I don't see the problem.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-09-27 23:12:30 UTC
Apoctasy wrote:
I know most lowsec denizens would rather have nothing at all to do with pve



Check population of FW lowsec. Now check population of the remainder of lowsec.

Now that you've checked both of these, will you still stand by your statement?

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#26 - 2012-09-27 23:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Karl Hobb
Apoctasy wrote:
The difference is that one consists of players and once consists of pve. I know most lowsec denizens would rather have nothing at all to do with pve, so these 'incursion' things are just a massive annoyance. I would rather run into players camping a gate than lame incursion rats.

Terrible "I used to live in null, low-sec, and WHs, and walked uphill both ways in the snow, but now I live in high-sec because of drama" alt poster detected.

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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#27 - 2012-09-27 23:24:17 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Triple post.

I would love to get a 40 man fleet together and go and get the incursion out by force. But it's in low sec, so anyone with half a neuron can see that we're completing the incursion from their journal and come and stop us. GLHF sneaking a 40 man fleet around through Okkamon to complete the incursion with the final sites. Let me know how that goes for you.

So... you were complaining about incursions ruining PvP, and here you are complaining that they bring PvP to you. I'm not sure what to believe anymore.

*snerk*
Lol +1 to you sir.

How did you Veterans start?
Ginger Barbarella
#28 - 2012-09-27 23:29:21 UTC
Is it me, or is this another "wtf where is my easy button low sec isk generator?!?!?!"

People here whine about the stupidest things...

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#29 - 2012-09-27 23:35:18 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Is it me, or is this another "wtf where is my easy button low sec isk generator?!?!?!"

People here whine about the stupidest things...


OP has the button, he just can't be bothered to push it, hint OP incursions while not as good as they used to be are still good ISK, promote fleet ops and are generally a good giggle, clear the bugger out with some friends instead of whining. If you get hot dropped by someone else, kill them to.

Keep whining, I shall call thee carebear good sir.

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Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-09-27 23:35:38 UTC
Adapt or die...

I have been gimped by incursions before... and rather than have a whinge and complain that the game should be changed I moved...

I now have several bases of operations spread around highsec islands and lowsec...
So if I find an incursion at one, I move to another base
If my hauling pipe is gate camped I move stuff in a Blockade runner (which works a lot better than my damned orca did)

Harden up and adapt :)

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#31 - 2012-09-27 23:38:33 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Keep whining, I shall call thee carebear good sir.

A true knight of Carealot.

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#32 - 2012-09-27 23:49:59 UTC
I guess I'd be upset as well if the gate I usually camp to bravely shoot haulers was in turn being camped by something that might shoot me.

vOv

Whatever.

Mr Epeen Cool
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#33 - 2012-09-27 23:54:04 UTC
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Scrambling rats lock so quickly and are so tough on gates that unless you are in a fleet or a cloaky ship, you're guaranteed to die. Good job at making the game unplayable for low sec players if there is an incursion in your constellation without being in a fleet with logis and tackle.



That blasted PVe gate camp!!!!!

(shakes fist)


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Grumpymunky
Monkey Steals The Peach
#34 - 2012-09-27 23:57:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Grumpymunky
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Scrambling rats lock so quickly and are so tough on gates that unless you are in a fleet or a cloaky ship, you're guaranteed to die. Good job at making the game unplayable for low sec players if there is an incursion in your constellation without being in a fleet with logis and tackle.



That blasted PVe gate camp!!!!!

(shakes fist)


Didn't you know the moment you clicked the undock button you were consenting to PVE?

Post with your monkey.

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2012-09-28 00:06:58 UTC
Grumpymunky wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Scrambling rats lock so quickly and are so tough on gates that unless you are in a fleet or a cloaky ship, you're guaranteed to die. Good job at making the game unplayable for low sec players if there is an incursion in your constellation without being in a fleet with logis and tackle.



That blasted PVe gate camp!!!!!

(shakes fist)


Didn't you know the moment you clicked the undock button you were consenting to PVE?




It's not fair! If this keeps up, I am going to unsub my 20 accounts and CCP will go out of business and have to go back to eating whale blubber.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#36 - 2012-09-28 00:11:45 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Grumpymunky wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Scrambling rats lock so quickly and are so tough on gates that unless you are in a fleet or a cloaky ship, you're guaranteed to die. Good job at making the game unplayable for low sec players if there is an incursion in your constellation without being in a fleet with logis and tackle.



That blasted PVe gate camp!!!!!

(shakes fist)


Didn't you know the moment you clicked the undock button you were consenting to PVE?




It's not fair! If this keeps up, I am going to unsub my 20 accounts and CCP will go out of business and have to go back to eating whale blubber.

They do. The variable is what sauce they can use.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-09-28 00:11:49 UTC
The Bazzalisk wrote:
Scrambling rats lock so quickly and are so tough on gates that unless you are in a fleet or a cloaky ship, you're guaranteed to die. Good job at making the game unplayable for low sec players if there is an incursion in your constellation without being in a fleet with logis and tackle.

Guess you'd better join forces with others and deal with this incursion, then?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-09-28 00:48:57 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Heretics camping Amamake

wut

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-09-28 02:19:42 UTC
Don't know what CCP was thinking.

You would think they'd at least give players the ability to form groups or something if they're going to drop group content into a system. That's just bad game design.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#40 - 2012-09-28 05:03:46 UTC
Raiz Nhell wrote:
Adapt or die...

I have been gimped by incursions before... and rather than have a whinge and complain that the game should be changed I moved...

I now have several bases of operations spread around highsec islands and lowsec...
So if I find an incursion at one, I move to another base
If my hauling pipe is gate camped I move stuff in a Blockade runner (which works a lot better than my damned orca did)

Harden up and adapt :)


I reckon Incursions should pop highsec and lowsec towers too.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."