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Getting started in a C5 Cat Var system... RR Tengu PVE?
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Musophil
XX Industries
#1 - 2012-09-27 10:02:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Musophil
We're about to get started in a C5 Cat Var system that we've moved into after a year in a C4 Cat Var.

In the C4 Cat Var, we found that sites can be done easily in 2, 3 or 4 RR Tengus, depending on the type of site (although the addition of a shield-buffer-fit Nightmare to the fleet and TP's on all the ships make the sites go considerably faster).

Having just moved in, we're going to be without caps until we can get some into the system (which hopefully won't be too long), so in the meantime we'd like to make some isk from PVE sites.

How many RR Tengus does it take to do C5 sites in a cataclysmic variable system?

Is a Nightmare still worth bringing along?

And once we have cap ships in there...

I've heard that the escalated sites can be done with just a single dread, Huginn, and Rorqual... has anyone done this, and if so would they mind explaining the theory of it?

Does anyone have a better way of doing it with so few ships, or thereabouts?

I've read the "c6 and c5 sites like a baws" thread but was wondering if anyone could give us some advice more specific to c5 cataclysmic variable systems (taking advantage of that RR bonus).


Thanks in advance.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-09-27 22:33:57 UTC
in general a cat makes everything a little bit easier. if you have a t2 rigged tengu with around 140k ehp and RR youll need about 5 of them to run all anoms mags and radars. just start with more and work down numbers as you get comfortable with it.

As for capital escalations, they are rather easy, and even more so in a cat.

There are 4 jobs that need doing in cap escalations.
1. get a skirmish mindlink to extend web range
2. get a carrier to rep whatever ship you use to web. We like loki's, but if heard rapiers and huggins dont explode too often either.
3. massive dps. Dreadnaughts are the obvious choice. This is what you need the webs for. without some webs and target painters your dreadnaughts wont be able to do anything at all. they will just sit there
4. Webs. as i said, loki or rapier

now, if you dont use dreads (yet) you dont need the web ships, since anything smaller can hit sleepers just fine, and no skirmish link since you dont have webs to boost. at this point you can pretty much do whatever you like. a single triage archon wont have any trouble keeping anything alive in a c5 with decent EHP (say 80k and higher). chimera the same if you like shield fleets.

As for the rorqual, i never saw much point in it. as far as i know it doesnt spawn an escalation wave, so you could see it as a save way to spawn escalations. instead of starting with a dread and carrier warping in, spawning 12 elite bs you just start with a dread and the rorq keeps the loki alive. on the other hand, a decent dread (rev/moros) will pop sleepers really fast, and a carrier doesnt even have to triage to tank the incomming damage, so id say a rorq is a waste of money
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#3 - 2012-09-27 22:51:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Rorqual just makes things a bit more mangeable when your first starting out - once you get your head around it its worth moving upto doing carrier + loki/rapier + dread and 12 BS at once.

The Rorqual local shield tanks (with siege links it easily tanks 8x guardian waves) and remote armor tanks to keep the rapier or loki alive (unless your in a shield bonus WH in which case use huginn) which support the dread DPS this saves messing about clearing the first waves with a carrier + sub-caps the slow way and also less likely to cause screw ups when the overall experience level of the fleet is low.

If you've got a fairly active corp then you can drop carrier + tengus/nightmares in to clear the first wave and then drop dread (plus webbing support) in once theres only 2-3 guardians left.

While the cat variable effect will help with the RR amounts except maybe if you have a decent skilled siege booster it probably won't be enough to make up the difference at minimum numbers when tengus are neuted dry and can't rep the others - possibly lets you drop down by 1 tengu with enough experience, good fits/skills and siege links. I'd still reccomend 5 RR tengus for doing sites unescalated, you want enough that you have the dps to break sleeper spider repping quickly as well as some redundancy against neuting or disconnects.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-09-27 22:56:14 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Rorqual just makes things a bit more mangeable when your first starting out - once you get your head around it its worth moving upto doing carrier + loki/rapier + dread and 12 BS at once.

The Rorqual local shield tanks (with siege links it easily tanks 8x guardian waves) and remote armor tanks to keep the rapier or loki alive (unless your in a shield bonus WH in which case use huginn) which support the dread DPS this saves messing about clearing the first waves with a carrier + sub-caps the slow way and also less likely to cause screw ups when the overall experience level of the fleet is low.

If you've got a fairly active corp then you can drop carrier + tengus/nightmares in to clear the first wave and then drop dread (plus webbing support) in once theres only 2-3 guardians left.

While the cat variable effect will help with the RR amounts except maybe if you have a decent skilled siege booster it probably won't be enough to make up the difference at minimum numbers when tengus are neuted dry and can't rep the others - possibly lets you drop down by 1 tengu with enough experience, good fits/skills and siege links. I'd still reccomend 5 RR tengus for doing sites unescalated, you want enough that you have the dps to break sleeper spider repping quickly as well as some redundancy against neuting or disconnects.


i never understood the need to go in to clear the 1st wave. just ignore it. compared to the escalation bs they dont do any damage what so ever.

but yea, i spose a rorq eases more into it then carrier. though a triage carrier can basically go afk during cap escalations. if you dont triage you might have to pay some attention though
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#5 - 2012-09-28 10:18:06 UTC
Was meaning the first escalation wave not the first site wave.