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Potshots at POS Guns?
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Death Silence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-09-26 19:48:58 UTC
My corp recently started living in a C1 with a large Gallente tower (performing reactions/drug manufacturing so the extra silo space is nice).

In the 1.5 months we've been living here we've had three separate occasions where an individual begins shooting at one of the POS guns then stops (while we are offline or elsewhere in space).

Currently we have the Scrams/Webs/Nos offlined just in case of a full on attack.

We've left the point/web offline intentionally so as to not provoke a corp/alliance who accidentally bumped into the POS however, the recent Potshots have us wondering if we should create a trap (warp bubbles/point/web/nos etc) to discourage people from "testing" our setup.

What is the purpose of people performing Potshots on our POS?

Industrial corps that have been living in wormholes for a while, do you setup a full on trap for people who "look" at your POS setup?

Thanks,
DS
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#2 - 2012-09-26 19:52:12 UTC
Set up your POS to kill everything in sight in maximally evil ways. Always.

We recently destroyed a pos that did not even target any of us at any stage of the siege. Do not be that guy.
notha atfast
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
#3 - 2012-09-26 19:55:16 UTC
Agreed...people roam looking to blow stuff up. Do unto them first...and laugh as their pod runs away.
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#4 - 2012-09-26 20:01:28 UTC
Its true, the pos should be set up to murder everything it sees. I've FC'd bashes where not even a minute in we realised the pos didn't even bother to shoot back. We switched from a mod to the tower post haste, and it died fast.
Death Silence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-09-26 20:03:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Death Silence
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#6 - 2012-09-26 20:17:15 UTC
In a C1 the guns should be small enough to hit fast targets. Both long and short range since people sometimes try to snipe them.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#7 - 2012-09-26 21:42:48 UTC
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Death Silence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-09-26 21:54:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Death Silence
lanyaie wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.


I don't think we are talking apples and apples...if my corp sets a trap, the only mistake would be warping to the moon from any aligned celestial to be decloaked (aligned bubbles at optimal range of guns with cans to force decloak).

I completely understand the point of "make it as dangerous as possible" however, here is the current logic: My corp is a small industrial corp. Say someone from [insert any big wormhole PvP corp/alliance here] comes to checkout the POS and is promptly decloaked/popped by the "POS Trap"...all of a sudden we antagonized someone large enough that maybe inclined to come remove our industrial corp from the hole. Now, say that same pilot shows up on a d*!kstar and is simply annoyed due to guns/ECM/hardeners and warps off to find some more fruitful PvP elsewhere. Note, we are a corp focused on maximizing profits - not PvP.

I know it sounds "soft" to some but in our opinion it's a tactic to protect profits.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-26 22:04:27 UTC
Death Silence wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.


I don't think we are talking apples and apples...if my corp sets a trap, the only mistake would be warping to the moon from any aligned celestial to be decloaked (aligned bubbles at optimal range of guns with cans to force decloak).

I completely understand the point of "make it as dangerous as possible" however, here is the current logic: My corp is a small industrial corp. Say someone from [insert any big wormhole PvP corp/alliance here] comes to checkout the POS and is promptly decloaked/popped by the "POS Trap"...all of a sudden we antagonized someone large enough that maybe inclined to come remove our industrial corp from the hole. Now, say that same pilot shows up on a d*!kstar and is simply annoyed due to guns/ECM/hardeners and warps off to find some more fruitful PvP elsewhere. Note, we are a corp focused on maximizing profits - not PvP.

I know it sounds "soft" to some but in our opinion it's a tactic to protect profits.


Anyone who gets their ass destroyed by an unmanned POS deserves it. Anyone from one of the big WH corps, if they get shot by a POS, is going to get laughed at. However, seeing a POS that doesn't shoot/scram/etc just encourages them to attack - after all, they can do it without actually risking anything.

-Arazel
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#10 - 2012-09-26 22:06:27 UTC
Your logic is flawed. Fix it. Nao.

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Death Silence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-09-26 22:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Death Silence
Arazel Chainfire wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.


I don't think we are talking apples and apples...if my corp sets a trap, the only mistake would be warping to the moon from any aligned celestial to be decloaked (aligned bubbles at optimal range of guns with cans to force decloak).

I completely understand the point of "make it as dangerous as possible" however, here is the current logic: My corp is a small industrial corp. Say someone from [insert any big wormhole PvP corp/alliance here] comes to checkout the POS and is promptly decloaked/popped by the "POS Trap"...all of a sudden we antagonized someone large enough that maybe inclined to come remove our industrial corp from the hole. Now, say that same pilot shows up on a d*!kstar and is simply annoyed due to guns/ECM/hardeners and warps off to find some more fruitful PvP elsewhere. Note, we are a corp focused on maximizing profits - not PvP.

I know it sounds "soft" to some but in our opinion it's a tactic to protect profits.


Anyone who gets their ass destroyed by an unmanned POS deserves it. Anyone from one of the big WH corps, if they get shot by a POS, is going to get laughed at. However, seeing a POS that doesn't shoot/scram/etc just encourages them to attack - after all, they can do it without actually risking anything.

-Arazel


The risk is the opportunity cost associated with the time involved. Again, the current setup is to annoy (d!@kstar).

Lastly, it does shoot...just currently doesn't tackle (though we have it anchored if needed).
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#12 - 2012-09-26 22:10:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalel Nimrott
We will try every c1 pos, the one that doesnt scram..., its siege time!!!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Godfrey Silvarna
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#13 - 2012-09-26 22:14:49 UTC
Online that tackle, and add some ecm to boot. If I found a pos that does not stop me from warping i would definitely come back with bigger weapons. Even solo if i had to. Guns alone without any tackle are not a threat or a deterrent.
Death Silence
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-09-26 22:19:34 UTC
Godfrey Silvarna wrote:
Online that tackle, and add some ecm to boot. If I found a pos that does not stop me from warping i would definitely come back with bigger weapons. Even solo if i had to. Guns alone without any tackle are not a threat or a deterrent.


We have ECM, 6x of each type. And full set of Hardeners. Again, the threat isn't to your ship, it's to the time/coordination involved to put it into re-enforced.
corbexx
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-09-26 22:23:53 UTC
Death Silence wrote:
lanyaie wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.


I don't think we are talking apples and apples...if my corp sets a trap, the only mistake would be warping to the moon from any aligned celestial to be decloaked (aligned bubbles at optimal range of guns with cans to force decloak).

I completely understand the point of "make it as dangerous as possible" however, here is the current logic: My corp is a small industrial corp. Say someone from [insert any big wormhole PvP corp/alliance here] comes to checkout the POS and is promptly decloaked/popped by the "POS Trap"...all of a sudden we antagonized someone large enough that maybe inclined to come remove our industrial corp from the hole. Now, say that same pilot shows up on a d*!kstar and is simply annoyed due to guns/ECM/hardeners and warps off to find some more fruitful PvP elsewhere. Note, we are a corp focused on maximizing profits - not PvP.

I know it sounds "soft" to some but in our opinion it's a tactic to protect profits.



speaking for one of the larger corps in wh space i can say fairly certainly if someone from our corp got decloaked and killed by a pos we really wouldnt care. Thats part of wh space. If on the other hand you dont set you pos up to kill stuff some one will most likely take advantage of that fact

most of the bigger corps dont hit pos's cos some one screwed up got decloaked and get popped, On the other hand we have hit a fair few towers as soon as we realised they wont shoot back.

Corbexx for CSM X - Wormholes still deserve better
Moonlit Raid
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-09-26 22:36:09 UTC
lanyaie wrote:
Death Silence wrote:
It's currently set to shoot back (and does), it just doesn't have tackle onlined as we weren't looking to provoke anyone who accidentally decloaks near it.

One more item of note, it's mostly ECM (6x of each type) and then guns onlined to fit (beam/pulse small/meds only).

What are the recommended guns?



Don't take this the wrong way but you are being WAY too soft,This is eve if someone accidental decloacks near your pos you blow them up regardless of "peaceful" intentions. Don't worry about provoking people no one will bother if your pos kills their ship because they are retards anyhow for decloaking near a pos in something that doesn't warp away fast enough.

I've done exactly this, decloaked near a POS, I lost my ship. That was it; I didn't revisit. No hard feelings because I did something stupid.

If brute force isn't working, you're just not using enough.

Please Note: Any advice given comes with the caveat that nothing will be suitable for every situation.
lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#17 - 2012-09-27 11:48:28 UTC
No one like shooting at a pos no one likes grinding structures etc. if they did they would be in null not WH space

Most are here for the gudfights, the only reason they would want to remove you is because they really hate you for something you've done which is pissing them off by smack talking or things like that, Not because you have killed one or more of their ships.

Also losing a ship to a unmanned pos would be embarrassing and I doubt anyone would go into a c1 just because of that, it's too much effort.



PS: if anyone lost a ship to a pos blue green or not I'd still laugh at them for losing it

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.
Edgar Strangelove
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#18 - 2012-09-27 13:48:13 UTC
Death Silence wrote:
I don't think we are talking apples and apples...if my corp sets a trap, the only mistake would be warping to the moon from any aligned celestial to be decloaked (aligned bubbles at optimal range of guns with cans to force decloak).

I completely understand the point of "make it as dangerous as possible" however, here is the current logic: My corp is a small industrial corp. Say someone from [insert any big wormhole PvP corp/alliance here] comes to checkout the POS and is promptly decloaked/popped by the "POS Trap"...all of a sudden we antagonized someone large enough that maybe inclined to come remove our industrial corp from the hole. Now, say that same pilot shows up on a d*!kstar and is simply annoyed due to guns/ECM/hardeners and warps off to find some more fruitful PvP elsewhere. Note, we are a corp focused on maximizing profits - not PvP.

I know it sounds "soft" to some but in our opinion it's a tactic to protect profits.


If anyone gets their lingerie in a twist because your POS had the temerity to point them, they would take offense at your POS no matter what. Your defenses should be set up with the mindset of "this is our space, you are not allowed here". Having a show of force is more of a deterrent than a mostly harmless POS. Not only will it discourage people from lolshooting it, it'll discourage people from trying to kill you on your POS or steal your ships if they get rocketed out of the force fields. It won't prevent it, because nothing will prevent someone sufficiently determined, but if you really want to protect your profits, make your space as hostile to others as you can.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-09-27 14:30:07 UTC
You have it backwards. You want a show of force. This tells anyone else that you at least know how to configure your stuff. THey will say "look a properly configured d!ckstar" Do you wanna bash it? NAH.

Or,

Look someone put all this stuff here but didnt even know how to configure it. Let's go for it. Maybe we can reinforce it before they log in and online these other mods.


BTW, nobody accidentally decloaks at your POS is "just being friendly"
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-09-27 16:43:15 UTC
better scram me or i'm comin for yerr drugz!!
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