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The harb is going to be useful up to C2s as with all of the BC ships. From there you probably have to go either T3 cruiser or friends. Just join a noob friendly corp a fly what they fly, it's going to save you a lot of isk learning from your mistakes.

Edit: Jumping in a carrier without previous WH pve and pvp knowledge will be a very fast way to lose the carrier. Really, I mean it, don't even think about those at this point.

@sword- long term goal, 6 months down the road at a minimum. Just because I have the isk to lose doesn't mean I want to lose it haha ;)

@lanyaie- ill be flying amarr long before a carrier. Figure it gives a nice class of ships for armor tanking, insta pop, and drones- 2 of 3 things I'm decently spec'd as currently. The 500-600 mil is just so I don't lose everything in one go. I've got a few billion isk to play around with, but I'd like to minimize losses early on. Figure pimped out 2 billion tengu or Loki isn't the way to start my WH adventures. Even with an RR gang, 500 mil too low to aim for a decent fit?

Edit: I believe c4 WH is where I'll be mostly until the future. Maybe c3

Any suggested fits for c3 sites? Either in harby or BS?

You can try an armageddon or apocalypse I wouldn't recommend the abby tho I just dont like it


Edit: Tbh a battleship isn't that good for wh c3's either since it suffers from a lot of tracking stuff + active tanks on most of them are quite hard to maintain with your budget

If you want to get your start in C3s and move up to an Archon, learn to Guardian and make some friends. You won't be going solo in a C5 or C6, so don't wait until then to be less lonely. The Guardian will stand you in good stead for both PvE and PvP as a start, and you should lrn2logi before you sit in an Archon anyway.

I think he wants to avoid using heavy missiles just like i am. I would also like a few tips (possibly fits) on how to fit an Amarr (maybe Gallente) ship to do c3 sites either solo or with another mate. I did ask my corp and they only have experience flying tengu/drake so they couldn't really give me an advice.

I guess he did that before the neut fix? I have a hard time believing that he did it painless recently, hell tripple upholder BS must have hurt even pre neuts.

I'm sorry, read it all wrong and for some reason I read it as c4 anoms. THe C3 anomalies should be no trouble.

Sacrilege is a HAM boat, it doesn't have direct bonuses for heavy missiles anyways. AFAIK they won't be touched anytime soon.

Disclaimer: past this line everything in this post is EFT warrioring, Battleclinic w@#$ing and random noob babble, you have been warned.

Accordingly to EFT, dualrep Sac sustains like 400 tank and 300 DPS with adequate skills and before bling, not sure if it's enough (speaking on flying dualreps, it's recommended to activate second one when first repper is mid-cycle to have more steady tank).

If you want non-missile ship though, another option some people believe is good is Zealot with following fit. Needless to say that I haven't tried it myself because :noob:

[Zealot, C3 Sleeper awakener]
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
Imperial Navy Heat Sink
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Capacitor Power Relay II

10MN Afterburner II
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Large Capacitor Battery II

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I

Does like 300 tank and from 300 DPS (Scorch) to 350+ (IN MF) to 400+ (Conflag, can be actually used against BSs).

Sac seems to have similar performance with much less bling (well... probably it applies/does less DPS, not much you can do about it within this particular setup while staying within reasonable budget), and you'll probably have to train for it less (you may have HAM skills from your Caldari background), so maybe you'd better indeed start there. Oh, and it has utility slot for probe launcher, just in case. Its downside is that you'll probably need to buy/ferry a lot of faction HAMs.

Its fit is pretty similar:

[Sacrilege, C3 Sleeper awakener]
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II

Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
10MN Afterburner II
Stasis Webifier II

'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
'Arbalest' Heavy Assault Missile Launcher I, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Heavy Assault Missile
Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Bay Loading Accelerator I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I

Hobgoblin II x3

But really, I'd support recommendations to join existing WH corp and accumulate their experience as much as you can.

P.S. Feel free to call me out on those setups, I'd really like to know if that won't work and why. While approved by random people out there, it doesn't really mean that it's optimal or something. For example, Legion setups suggested for cleaning C3 sites generally have much better stats...

Sacrilege uses HAMs not HMLs and as far as i know those wont be nerfed.
It has very decent DPS and its considerably cheaper than Legion. Definitely a good choice for C3 and below