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Can a Supercarrier enter a C5/C6?

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War Brood
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-09-26 07:22:59 UTC  |  Edited by: War Brood
I know that the general thought is that, Supers/Titans aren't allowed in to Wormholes. Due to their staggering size.

However, Using numbers I don't think that's exactly true.

http://www.ellatha.com/eve/wormholelistview.asp?key=Wormhole+C248

This wormhole for instance, With a max jump mass of 1.8bil.
And a total of 5bil.

Meaning you could take 3 super carriers into the hole with the hole collapsing after the 3rd.

Why would you put a super into a wormhole? I have no idea.

I also understand that some might think that this hole spawns only from Null>Null. But, I can't seem to find a static or a dynamic with it. Meaning it could TECHNICALLY spawn from a c5/c6 into null.


This question has been asked before, My main reason for posting is to see if CCP will be kind enough to simply give all of us wondering:

"Yes, super carriers could be brought into a C5/C6 if this connection was established"
"No, super carriers are not allowed in wormholes"
gulftobay
Mesotopia
#2 - 2012-09-26 08:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: gulftobay
The data I can find lists C248 as a class 9 wormhole - i.e. it is "unpublished" and does not (yet) exist in game.




Edit: No fair, you changed your question heh. :P
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#3 - 2012-09-26 08:19:56 UTC
Class 9 is Nullsec. So apparently it's a NS>NS hole.

Quote:
I also understand that some might think that this hole spawns only from Null>Null. But, I can't seem to find a static or a dynamic with it. Meaning it could TECHNICALLY spawn from a c5/c6 into null.

You could as well say "if a H296 would spawn in a C1 I could bring a carrier or dread into a C1, so it's technically possible". Yeah, but they don't spawn there, so it's not possible.

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Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#4 - 2012-09-26 09:32:31 UTC
It's more than likely impossible. Just as a c1 has an upper limit on what can get through, so do other wormholes. If you were to try and jam a super though one, you'd most likely end up with a confused and disappointed looking hole wondering if it did something wrong because your super wont fit.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#5 - 2012-09-26 09:34:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Project Atlas studied the wormhole network for a good long while. If you take a gander at these charts produced by Project Atlas, you'll notice six wormhole types with a looming '?' in their signature strengths and "Departs from" fields. This is because despite looking long and hard... no one (to my knowledge) has ever found one.

Specifically these wormholes are:
S047 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
B520 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
N290 ? to low (1350 Gg per pass mass limit)
C391 ? to low (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
C248 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
K329 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)

Thus, the short answer to the question is, yes, it's possible to put a super carrier into a wormhole provided A.) you can find one of these elusive* wormholes and B.) they are discovered to actually depart from a wormhole system rather than k-space.

*Note that "elusive" here should probably be read as "does not currently exist in-game but is there if the devs need it at a later date".

P.S.
A "Class 9" wormhole is simply a wormhole that leads to null sec. There are plenty of "Class 9" wormholes which depart from other places, namely: high sec, low sec, and class 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 wormhole systems. These would appear in null sec as a K162.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-09-26 11:52:20 UTC
there are no wormholes that spawn in game that can handle the mass of anything above carriers/dreadnaughts.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#7 - 2012-09-26 13:05:43 UTC
Even if one spawns with potentially enough mass afaik you get an arbitary error message denying you passage if you attempt to jump a super or titan into a w-space system. (Not actually seen it for myself tho).
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-09-26 14:16:49 UTC
omfg but how do you bridge rifters in to wormhole?!??
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-09-26 14:19:34 UTC
Infinite points should totally reduce the mass of the target... Shocked
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#10 - 2012-09-26 14:43:30 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Infinite points should totally reduce the mass of the target... Shocked

Heavy interdiction Titans, anyone,

Instant planet, just put a warp bubble on your titan.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-26 14:48:23 UTC
Angsty Teenager
Broski North
#12 - 2012-09-26 14:55:47 UTC
IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.

I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it.

Not anymore though
Casirio
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-09-26 15:07:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Casirio
Angsty Teenager wrote:
IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.

I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it.

Not anymore though


Have to have sov to place a csaa which has never been possible in w-space. I heard of a dev having a titan in a hole in sisi or something. probably the picture you are referring to.

edit found the pic, and yes it's on sisi
War Brood
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-09-26 16:01:52 UTC
Faulx wrote:
Project Atlas studied the wormhole network for a good long while. If you take a gander at these charts produced by Project Atlas, you'll notice six wormhole types with a looming '?' in their signature strengths and "Departs from" fields. This is because despite looking long and hard... no one (to my knowledge) has ever found one.

Specifically these wormholes are:
S047 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
B520 ? to high (300 Gg per pass mass limit)
N290 ? to low (1350 Gg per pass mass limit)
C391 ? to low (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
C248 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)
K329 ? to null (1800 Gg per pass mass limit)

Thus, the short answer to the question is, yes, it's possible to put a super carrier into a wormhole provided A.) you can find one of these elusive* wormholes and B.) they are discovered to actually depart from a wormhole system rather than k-space.

*Note that "elusive" here should probably be read as "does not currently exist in-game but is there if the devs need it at a later date".

P.S.
A "Class 9" wormhole is simply a wormhole that leads to null sec. There are plenty of "Class 9" wormholes which depart from other places, namely: high sec, low sec, and class 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 wormhole systems. These would appear in null sec as a K162.



Thank you Sir. Very informative.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#15 - 2012-09-26 17:24:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Angsty Teenager wrote:
IIRC, there was an exploit where you could stack mods or something, so you could stack virtually infinite cargo expanders so what you could do was take a repackaged titan and fly it into a WH in the cargo of some other ship, then put in a CSAA inside the WH and assemble it.

I remember seeing a picture of a titan in a WH, can't find it.

Not anymore though


There was a bug (didn't exist very long) where you could stick fitting mods on and remove them but the effect they had wasn't removed from the ship, so you could fit,remove,refit,remove til you had massive amounts of cargo space, etc. several people used it to bring stuff into wormholes that weren't supposed to fit and atleast one person somehow managed to get a titan in space in a wormhole (without using CSAA) not sure if there was another bug/exploit used. AFAIK CCP has removed everything tho now.


EDIT: Was a super not titan - keep thinking the Aeon is a titan :S
ExookiZ
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#16 - 2012-09-26 18:27:26 UTC
the wormhole in question exists and does let supercarriers go through, however it is a null--> null WH thus the super cap never actually enters wormhole space. its just a fuel free shortcut cross nullsec.

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Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#17 - 2012-09-26 19:13:56 UTC
The null to null wormhole that you're probably thinking of is:

S199 null to null (1350 Gg per pass mass limit)

... and, yes, this one has been found and, in fact, does not permit super carriers. The others stated above have (to my knowledge) not been found. So if you're saying you've seen one, get pictures.
Dalts
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#18 - 2012-09-26 19:27:35 UTC
There's a hidden flag that prevents SC and Titans from using wormholes.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#19 - 2012-09-26 20:06:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
How could you know or test that if none of the wormholes ever found are big enough to fit one? The mass limits could easily be the only mechanism preventing it.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#20 - 2012-09-28 00:19:31 UTC
S199 is a wormhole from low/null to null. You can find them in lowsec and use them to gank Russian ratting carriers. Just sayin'
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