Warfare & Tactics

I just left a corp dedicated to killing miners, not a lot of fun.
As for mining I pointed out it was an acceptable afk activity and the 15 minutes could be moved to easily 45 minutes (max worst possible cycle time on mackinaw/retriever)


1. how is the client a problem to load? I can get into my account in under 30 seconds
2. We just had someone admit they cloaked and did 5 hours of recon. Plus you can still be warped, not so fun for the other guy when you have been sitting in that anom waiting for him to be aggressed

I could just see it now, names throughout Jita, amar, Didixie disappearing by the truckload, and reappearing when they have to log back in all the time, low sec hunters, 0.0's getting intel on other POS's and enemy corp movements, hell, 70% of Wormholers in general, all logging off / on all the time, unless they are mining of course... because you said thats ok.

Would work wonders for the server with all the extra loading going on im sure. ;P

The only place where local can easily be used to know if hostiles are in system with any regularity are low and 0.0. High sec in most areas has too many people for it to matter unless they are specific war targets, or someone you have set to -10, and WH does not have local at all.

I give to you the answer I, and EVERY miner got when we ***** about suicide gankers (easily verified, check around for most of the previous posts where any miner is crying about suicide ganking, lol) ........

wait for it....

Spam D-scan.

And you know what? It works! shocker, I know!

The real problem here is not that you are upset they are cloaked and afk. You are upset that they are preventing YOU from mining and afk, or ratting blind. Low Sec and 0.0 are supposed to be an edge of your seat at all times dangerous place. Low Sec is, but 0.0 is not as much anymore if you are deep in a larger corps Sov (except for the occasional hot drop and / or blob whale trucking through). Putting in some odd 15 min timer in a game as slow paced (except for when pvp is actually going on) as EVE would be detrimental, not helpful.

Botting Null bears hate afk cloakers, wow did that required a thread?

After reading this discussion (and many previous in other threads), I have to agree, that being AFK while cloaked simply to make players uncomfortable is misuse of game mechanics.

Solution to this could be new AFK icon for players in local. Once player is not moving for lets say 15 minutes, he will get this new AFK mark on his portrait in local and he gets AFK flag. When he gets back, he will have to click 'I am back' button. Once he clicks the button, AFK icon will disapeare and he will have 30s countdown before he can move with his ship. Ofc if his cloak drops for any other reason (bumped or somthing), there will be no countdown.

We dont have to change cloak mechanics. It works great. What we need is implementation of AFK mechanics for cloaked ships.

UR funny.

As far as I am aware, there is only one ship that can warp cloaked and lock immediately, which is stealth bombers. Everything else will have a 5 second targetting delay. So they will either have to decloak mid warp to be ready when they land, or they will decloak and hopefully try to bump.

Either way, if you are staying aligned etc you have a pretty darn good chance of getting out, either by catching the decloak in warp or with that 5 sec window when they decloak on grid.

I swear i never realized null bears were such a whiny bunch.

God forbid you went somewhere with no local. You wouldn't be able to leave the POS shields

So you are saying CCP POSes mobile?
I think that was actually discussed in the minutes.

The point you are missing (and I admittedly missed for a long time myself), is that CCP has stated repeatedly that it is NOT against the game rules. There are a ton of things that go on that misuse or exploit the game mechanics, and they may or may not do something about them at a future date (i have listed off several of them in the past, I won't bother bringing them up again here). Are the players who do it 'wrong'? I think so. Are they going to be punished for it? No.

As to knowing someone is in local, but not knowing what they are doing, and not being able to track them down... that is not going anywhere, and making players uncomfortable is far from a misuse of game mechanics, and being cloaked in a system making other players uncomfortable is a by product of all cloaks! I always try to be level and polite when I am able on these forums, but I have to ask, do you even play EVE? Spend any time near the major trade hubs? How about any time in low sec? There is nothing BUT people trying to exploit, screw over, grief, or other wise twist other player's gaming experience. They normally try to do it by looking for ways to get away with it risk free too by trying every angle and expoit they can.

AFK cloaking there is nothing wrong with. There is also no way to really prove they are afk (they have a hard enough time proving mining bots are afk). There is no rules that I am aware of that we signed when we bought the game that say "you pay for the time to play this game but must be touching keyboard keys at all times or you get removed".

If it is not already easy enough to call out the marines when you see a non-purp pop up in local out in SOV space... now you want it even easier to keep out all hostiles in a pvp game.

~Z

What is wrong about this is part when they come back from being afk. This is the reason why I proposed 30s timer. So everyone who is in local and watchs local (is carefull and not stupid) has at least chance to respond properly.

What an original thread.

obviously you never heard of a Covert Ops Cyno.