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Cueball McGee
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Memento Moriendo
#21 - 2012-09-24 20:27:41 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
:word-shaped tears:


It's nice to know that it's working.

See you again tomorrow.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#22 - 2012-09-24 20:31:27 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
...so you have to act as if they're there


Emphasizing the important part of your post. Only you decide how they are going to impact your gameplay.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-09-24 20:34:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Sjugar
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
...so you have to act as if they're there


Emphasizing the important part of your post. Only you decide how they are going to impact your gameplay.
What kind of wordplay is that?

If your gameplay is mining and you do that with a hostile in system it's a very fast way to lose your ship. They are impacting my gameplay, either by making me dock up or shooting my ship.

You must be utterly and utterly stupid to not change your gameplay with a hostile in system.

And that's what I dislike about being able to make people change the way they play while not even being behind a computer-screen.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#24 - 2012-09-24 20:38:52 UTC
Do you mine in high-sec? Then you mine in a system with a lot more hostiles than I might in null. Even worse, you don't know for sure which they are in high-sec; at least in null, you know who the unfriendly is. If you still want to mine, then have some friends play guard; ideally, one of them will be a Falcon, cloaked nearby.

Is it that hard to figure out appropriate measures to take to continue on doing what you want to do?

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#25 - 2012-09-24 20:39:20 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
...so you have to act as if they're there


Emphasizing the important part of your post. Only you decide how they are going to impact your gameplay.
What kind of wordplay is that?

If your gameplay is mining and you do that with a hostile in system it's a very fast way to lose your ship. They are impacting my gameplay, either by making me dock up or shooting my ship.

You must be utterly and utterly stupid to not change your gameplay with a hostile in system.

And that's what I dislike about being able to make people change the way they play while not even being behind a computer-screen.


You have lots of options.


  • Watch your directional scanner.
  • Stay aligned out of your plex or mining site.
  • Bring friends to help defend you.
  • Move to a different system.
  • Etc.


Learn to adapt rather than to complain.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-09-24 20:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sjugar
It's nice to list a lot of things you can do to be safer, but both of you are circling around my point: people shouldn't be able to have an impact on gameplay while not behind their computer screen.

I'll happily move to another system allign bladiebladiebla, but please let that be because the guy who is making me be behind his computer. Not out drinking with his friends.
Cephelange du'Krevviq
Gildinous Vangaurd
The Initiative.
#27 - 2012-09-24 20:46:53 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
It's nice to list a lot of things you can do to be safer, but both of you are circling around my point: people shouldn't be able to have an impact on gameplay while not behind their computer screen.

I'll happily move to another system allign bladiebladiebla, but please let that be because the guy who is making me be behind his computer. Not out drinking with his friends.


Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point.

"I am a leaf on the...ah, frak it!"
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-09-24 20:49:36 UTC
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point.
You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win.
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#29 - 2012-09-24 20:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Cueball McGee
Sjugar wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point.
You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win.


Ask The Mittani about affecting gameplay without being logged into Eve.

Hell, ask me. I spend more time playing Jabber Online than Eve Online and I guarantee you it's had an effect on people's in-game experience.

Next point?

Edit: I do it from my phone too.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#30 - 2012-09-24 20:57:25 UTC
Cueball McGee wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Cephelange du'Krevviq wrote:
Again, you are making the choice of how to react; you are circling our point.
You don't have a counterargument to why people should be able to effect gameplay while not being behind their computerscreen, that's why you try to make it into a discussion you can win.


Ask The Mittani about affecting gameplay without being logged into Eve.

Hell, ask me. I spend more time playing Jabber Online than Eve Online and I guarantee you it's had an effect on people's in-game experience.

Next point?

Edit: I do it from my phone too.

Ahhhhwww the old metagame argument: I can order others to shoot you while not even being online so it's ok to bot (afk cloaking is effectively botting) in eve. You must be a test member because last thing I heard test fully supports botting. Now I can see why you are so fighting to keep afk cloaking alive.
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#31 - 2012-09-24 21:07:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Cueball McGee
Sjugar wrote:
Ahhhhwww the old metagame argument: I can order others to shoot you while not even being online so it's ok to bot (afk cloaking is effectively botting) in eve. You must be a test member because last thing I heard test fully supports botting. Now I can see why you are so fighting to keep afk cloaking alive.


Ahhhhwww the old strawman argument: AFK cloaking! Hand waving! You bot lover!

AFK cloaking is an effective tactic to stop botting. After a few days the guy running the bots will get frustrated and set them to rat even though there are hostiles in local. Then we kill the bots.

So yeah, I support botting. They're nice targets.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#32 - 2012-09-24 21:12:02 UTC
AFK cloaking is an effective technique for both intel gathering and operation disruption. That is what it is there for!

Get over it and learn to adapt. It is part of a war time tactic and if you are in Null you are ALWAYS at war with somebody.

I'm a small gang pirate at heart so AFK cloaking is probably at the other end of the spectrum from what I do but even I see it as a valid tactic.

Adapt or die and become a memory.....either way it is YOUR choice.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-09-24 21:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Sjugar
Cueball McGee wrote:
Sjugar wrote:
Ahhhhwww the old metagame argument: I can order others to shoot you while not even being online so it's ok to bot (afk cloaking is effectively botting) in eve. You must be a test member because last thing I heard test fully supports botting. Now I can see why you are so fighting to keep afk cloaking alive.


Ahhhhwww the old strawman argument: AFK cloaking! Hand waving! You bot lover!

AFK cloaking is an effective tactic to stop botting. After a few days the guy running the bots will get frustrated and set them to rat even though there are hostiles in local. Then we kill the bots.

So yeah, I support botting. They're nice targets.
Ahhh,

The first real **cough** argument in favor of AFK cloaking: it is the silver bullet in the fight against botter.
So basically someone not behind a computer screen is fighting someone else also not behind his computer screen while both are **cough** "playing" eve.
Taoist Dragon wrote:
AFK cloaking is an effective technique for both intel gathering and operation disruption. That is what it is there for!
Yes it is very effective. But I want it to get changed so people have to actually be behind their computer and can't keep it running when they're not online.

My point: play the game any way you want, exploit the metagame to it's fullest, but people need to be behind their computerscreen when their ship is in space.
Rengerel en Distel
#34 - 2012-09-24 21:21:48 UTC
Love when nullbears cry about not being absolutely secure while in null, and do it while "cloaking" behind a forum alt so they again can assure their security. The only ones that complain about afk cloakers are null residents, even though you can do it everywhere. Do you think perhaps it's because only in null can you have sov? You expect a higher degree of security than anyone ever dreams of in high sec, and call them carebears?

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-09-24 21:22:12 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Easy solution: automatically log of clients after 30 minutes of inactivity.



Umm no.

The ability to cloak for extended periods isn't just about afk cloakers in your ratting systems. There are other valid times to cloak for extended times, sometimes even walking away from the computer for a little.

I had just such a situation that would have likely ended in my death had I been auto logged off after 30 min of activity.
Sjugar
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-09-24 21:27:56 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Love when nullbears cry about not being absolutely secure while in null, and do it while "cloaking" behind a forum alt so they again can assure their security. The only ones that complain about afk cloakers are null residents, even though you can do it everywhere. Do you think perhaps it's because only in null can you have sov? You expect a higher degree of security than anyone ever dreams of in high sec, and call them carebears?

I don't expect anything of that, just that people fly the ships, not computers.
Cueball McGee
LeaveThisBlank
Memento Moriendo
#37 - 2012-09-24 21:37:22 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
Love when nullbears cry about not being absolutely secure while in null, and do it while "cloaking" behind a forum alt so they again can assure their security. The only ones that complain about afk cloakers are null residents, even though you can do it everywhere. Do you think perhaps it's because only in null can you have sov? You expect a higher degree of security than anyone ever dreams of in high sec, and call them carebears?

I don't expect anything of that, just that people fly the ships, not computers.

I am sorry that you're paying AAA billions of ISK a month for access to one or two systems that are easily camped 24x7. Perhaps you should consider renting from someone that doesn't corral you up like cattle for the slaughter.
Typherian
V.O.I.D.
Pandemic Legion
#38 - 2012-09-24 22:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Typherian
His alliance is crap and obviously he is crap. HTFU and stop being a useless carebear. If he is AFK he can't hurt you.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#39 - 2012-09-24 22:03:29 UTC
Sjugar wrote:
Yes it is very effective. But I want it to get changed so people have to actually be behind their computer and can't keep it running when they're not online.



I'm pretty certain that as soon as you go offine your cloaked ship warps and is removed from the game? working as intended.

Unless you mean not at their computer actively playing - then meh! just think of it as a 'sleeper' agent in a country. That countries intelligence service knows they are there somewhere but don't know exactly where of if they are even 'active' yet do they stop their operations for it?

No.

They keep going but have measure setup so that if the 'sleeper' actives they can deal with it.

The last three words are the important ones.....DEAL WITH IT!

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#40 - 2012-09-24 22:17:50 UTC
Annubis Lorn wrote:
I suppose there won't be a single educated and proper response to this thread. Just more 12 yo shutins that don't have anything better to do than trash ppl in the forums and talk smack. Thanks guys for showing your ignorance. YAY EVE for attracting every ****** and ***hole in the gaming community.



Your OP and follow up most likely would have been taken much more seriously (weather they agreed with you or not) if you did not start of with raging, insulting, yammering, and finishing it off with the usual "if you do not agree with me you must be an ignorant troll" type paint someone into a corner trap.

Basing it on the possibility that you are not a) just a troll trying for a reaction, or b) someone who is raging because they don't want to have to watch Dscan at all times, my response:

-WH space deals without local at all. So far they have managed to survive just fine.

-High sec deals with suicide gankers, bumpers, getting scanned with no recourse, and other exploits every single day. So far they have managed to survive just fine (granted, some rage and rant, but the larger majority do not, they adapt).

-Low sec deals with POS camped off grid boosting, Gate campers, ... hell, I wont even get into the list of things that Low-Sec does. Leave it at 'they are Pirates, and LOVE to use that word to explain every thing they do'. ... So far they have managed to survive just fine.

-0.0 deals with hot drops, blob warfare, bubbles, and many of the things that get dealt with in Low-Sec besides..... and hey, So far they have managed to survive just fine.


With every honestly questionable exploit in game (log-in ambush groups for example), you choose someone being stealthed and allegedly AFK for your place to jump on the soap box? I'm afraid you are not going to get many people agreeing with you on this one. Hell, I'm 80% carebear, and I don't agree with it even.


P.S.: There are DEFINITELY some asshats and trolls on these forums. But they are also the minority, not the majority. If you have a suggestion or an idea that you want objective opinions on, try posting it like an adult trying to get feedback from other adults next time. Posts like this just put chum in the water, and you can't be upset when the feeding frenzy begins if you do that.Blink

~Z

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly