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what's wrong with void?
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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-09-24 02:35:15 UTC
I've read in a few places that void is pretty much worthless outside of eft. Why is that?
Daoa Hakoke
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-09-24 02:41:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Daoa Hakoke
To be completely honest I use Void all the time with my medium blasters. Love them and the DPS it allows me to get. I have never heard that they are useless, but I also use Null ammo as well to help me reach out and touch someone with the blasters.
Gorn Arming
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-09-24 02:45:48 UTC
Short range, bad tracking, and only slightly improved damage over navy antimatter. Rarely worth it.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-09-24 02:59:42 UTC
This is true but it generally costs half of what faction ammo does.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#5 - 2012-09-24 03:19:47 UTC
The arguments against it are mainly from before the hybrid buff. Most people use Void now.

Then again I used it before the buff and was already happy with it then. Only reason to not use void is if you somehow came up with a fit that doesnt allow for atleast one web. If you have a web on your fit use Void otherwise Navy ammo will probably suit you better.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#6 - 2012-09-24 04:40:43 UTC
Null loaded, AM if spectacular tracking is needed, but Void+overheat is the default when the target is of same or larger size, and properly pinned down.

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Alphaphi
KASK Heavy logistics
#7 - 2012-09-24 06:23:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Alphaphi
meh, you get a bit worse tracking, in exchange for more dps, marginally lower range than CNAnti (BUT MOAR OPTIMAL) But void in general are supposed to be used along with a warp scrambler and web against equal sized, or larger ships, and not a MwD and disruptor against smaller ship types like most people do.

void is awesome on a blaster tengu!
To mare
Advanced Technology
#8 - 2012-09-24 06:36:35 UTC
void is very good now with the tracking boost to blaster.
actually i almost never use faction antimatter anymore
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2012-09-24 09:26:09 UTC
Void is fine for most stuff other than t1 frig fights.. Since in those the tracking penalties will exceed the dps bonus.

should always carry void, null and CN AM.

Just don't use void on anything that moves fast.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#10 - 2012-09-24 09:36:59 UTC
Gorn Arming wrote:
Short range, bad tracking, and only slightly improved damage over navy antimatter. Rarely worth it.


It has better optimal than antimatter, but lower falloff. it's perfect for Battleships or cruisers who fight in opti (thorax/brutix).
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-09-24 09:38:39 UTC
And god help you if a blasterthron gets you in optimal.
Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-09-24 10:34:44 UTC
People will say that faction antimatter is better in most cases but thats really not true at all. If you dont fly your ship like a dork and have a web, void is almost always better.

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Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#13 - 2012-09-24 10:45:02 UTC
Muad 'dib wrote:
People will say that faction antimatter is better in most cases but thats really not true at all. If you dont fly your ship like a dork and have a web, void is almost always better.


Except for frigates - which null is better for due to overshoot and the average length of a fight spent in optimal.
Verity Sovereign
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-09-24 11:44:26 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Void is fine for most stuff other than t1 frig fights.. Since in those the tracking penalties will exceed the dps bonus.

should always carry void, null and CN AM.

Just don't use void on anything that moves fast.


Why is it always "CN" AM?
Last I checked, in all regions, Caldari Navy hybrid charges were selling for more than Fed navy hybrid charges... yet they have the exacy same stats.... it seems in fits most people specify CN, or sometimes just "Navy", never fed navy/FN
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-09-24 13:34:40 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Void is fine for most stuff other than t1 frig fights.. Since in those the tracking penalties will exceed the dps bonus.

should always carry void, null and CN AM.

Just don't use void on anything that moves fast.


Why is it always "CN" AM?
Last I checked, in all regions, Caldari Navy hybrid charges were selling for more than Fed navy hybrid charges... yet they have the exacy same stats.... it seems in fits most people specify CN, or sometimes just "Navy", never fed navy/FN

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xGsaparx
WeebleCORP
#16 - 2012-09-24 14:23:24 UTC
Void is awesome, use it a lot.
Make sure you have AM for small **** too tho.
Arazel Chainfire
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-09-24 16:26:54 UTC
Verity Sovereign wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Void is fine for most stuff other than t1 frig fights.. Since in those the tracking penalties will exceed the dps bonus.

should always carry void, null and CN AM.

Just don't use void on anything that moves fast.


Why is it always "CN" AM?
Last I checked, in all regions, Caldari Navy hybrid charges were selling for more than Fed navy hybrid charges... yet they have the exacy same stats.... it seems in fits most people specify CN, or sometimes just "Navy", never fed navy/FN


Because EFT lists CN ammo in it, but not fed navy ammo, because they both do the same damage so EFT removed fed navy (to save space/make it less complex). Therefore, all the tards who look only at EFT and never check anything else automatically think that they need CN and go "durr... what is fed navy?"

Basically, people being stupid.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-09-24 21:35:18 UTC
void ammo, best ammo.
i havnt put anything else in my proteus for a long time.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-09-24 22:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
I've read in a few places that void is pretty much worthless outside of eft. Why is that?



Depends on witch ship and weapon size you're using.
-If you use large blasters Void and Null is all you need in your cargo.
-If you use med blasters you might as well get Faction AM instead since dps difference is not huge enough to make a difference and you keep a better range for dmg application and tracking
-If you use small blasters just use faction AM+T2 LR

Just an opinion, I have perfect gunnery skills and under large blasters i don't see any reason to use T2 short range for other purpose than gank freighters/mining barges since you're always in absolute optimal.
EFT numbers is one thing, once you start flying it's a whole different thing.

Cases where I never apply this rule are: Proteus/Megathron because tracking and range bonus, everything else I always use faction AM over Void unless specific case (witch you have close to 0 chances to know before you start roaming)

brb