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Natsett Amuinn

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#101 - 2012-09-24 22:18:47 UTC

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Andski wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

According to the anti-high sec zealots, no number is ridiculous, as long as it is not high sec.
So yeah, running around with a 3 day alt in a speed tanked Incurses, with zero weapons, orbiting low sec plexes for a payout, yeah, billions and billions of ISK / week is entirely reasonable. But for a high sec player to make 1 hundredth of that, oh no, that is unbalancing the game.

You have not figured out yet the agenda of most of the CSM and some element of CCP employees.

lol shut up

this whole FW thing is dumb and CCP should be fixing it sooner rather than waiting till the next expansion to fix it, but that doesn't mean that your risk-free 120m/hour vanguard farming should come back

It appears that CCP is too busy collaborating with you null sec zealots again to fix FW.
I just read about the new high sec AI that will attack drones, and then the NUMEROUS posts by the dev Fox Four gloating about it.
I have to hand it to you guys. You have a well honed machine there: an enormous propaganda team inundating the forums ceaselessly with lies to further your agenda, a CSM dominated by null sec, and then some unknown quantity of very sympathetic dev's.

Except for the part where the new AI will focus less on drones.

You should focus more on the truth and less on writing idiot ****.

Pipa Porto

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#102 - 2012-09-24 22:37:18 UTC | Edited by: Pipa Porto

Borisk Zeltsh wrote:

Wts 3 day old fw farming alt will trade for two tech moons Lol

im not saying it doesnt need balancing it clearly does what i said was dont kill it so guys fighting for militia cant make isk from it

FW missioning has been steady at ~100m/hr for years. Removing FW plexing entirely won't stop you from making gobs of ISK.

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-RubyPorto

Session9 Marketing 2
Takezo Wifebeater Session9 Marketing Likes received: 2	#103 - 2012-09-24 22:55:19 UTC When do faction tiers reach 5 anyway? They seem to be at lvl 1 most of them time (occasionally 2) from what I've seen.

Dinsdale Pirannha

Pirannha Corp

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#104 - 2012-09-24 23:00:34 UTC

Natsett Amuinn wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Andski wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Except for the part where the new AI will focus less on drones.

You should focus more on the truth and less on writing idiot ****.

Sigh, you guys spin so many lies you can't even read facts anymore.

Before : High Sec AI did not switch aggro once it was attached.
Winter patch: High sec AI will switch aggro so drones will be attacked.

Is this logic too hard for you, or are you stuck in liar mode?

Pipa Porto

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#105 - 2012-09-24 23:02:45 UTC

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

How dare they improve your missions. Roll

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Tyberius Franklin

Federal Navy Academy

Gallente Federation

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#106 - 2012-09-24 23:08:32 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

How dare they improve your missions. Roll

For solo missioning (or anything really) this doesn't really change or improve anything. If you ran with others you probably got nerfed.

Soon Shin

Scarlet Weather Rhapsody

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#107 - 2012-09-24 23:52:44 UTC

MotherMoon wrote:

fw gives out about 300 million isk in 7 hours of work.

That means a bil a week easy

That means you're making about 42 million per hour using simple math.

Sounds weaker than mission running to me.

Oh FW is in lowsec its not some silly highsec stuff.

As people hear how profitable something is, they will all jump on the bandwagon, flooding the market and causing a degradation of profits for everyone. Its a self correcting market my friends.

Faction Warfare gives you straight up Loyalty Points, rather than isk like bounties do. Loyalty Points are highly susceptible to fluctuations and the LP store drags more isk out of the player's wallet than FW gives to the player. Therefore it is an Isk Sink System.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#108 - 2012-09-25 02:11:25 UTC

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

yeah if only there were people in nullsec who ratted in certain ships that generate sizeable amounts of isk by using 10+ drones who would be severely affected by this

beyond that you're just going "abloo bloo blooooooooooooooooo my afk ratting domi is getting nerfed (("

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Lord Zim

Gallente Federation

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#109 - 2012-09-25 03:47:33 UTC

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

It's not a hisec-specific change. Hope this helps.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat

TharOkha

0asis Group

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#110 - 2012-09-25 05:27:48 UTC | Edited by: TharOkha

Andski wrote:

A blaster Naga can generate 90m-120m per hour in Guristas/Serpentis regions and a Vindicator can generate 120m-150m per hour, but those figures are basically with shield gank setups that die the moment anything sneezes at them (and yes, people shoot you in nullsec!) On the other hand, before the Escalation nerf to incursions, those income figures were achievable with T3/faction BS fleets and one guy I know had a Nightmare with a two slot tank and had no problem because they were ridiculously safe. Yet people want the Escalation changes reversed because it killed the incursion ~community~ or whatever.

Yes with naga or vindi you can generate much more. But im talking about T3 with null+cloak+dscan spamming (nearly uncatchable in null = almost no risk, like in hisec). Im just pointing that null whiners that cry because they earn less than in hisec and even that they can be shot (you can be shot down in hisec too) is just their problem and incompetence. An if they live in alliance space (where null+cloak is not needed) this statement is doubly true.

According incursion nerf. I dont have problem with that. I was incursion runner too (and made nice isks there) but i agree that rewards were astronomical (for hisec). But why oh why they nerfed lowsec incursion too?. There is big cry that lowsec is nearly empty. Incursion community was/is large enough to go to lowsec and do them (and i remember that we were on some of them, we even encoutered you (goons) and it was quite fun. But for what reason should we go to lowsec incs when hisec incs are still more attractive than lowsec? Nerfing hisec and lowsec in same time is not the way how to attract more ppl to low.

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Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#111 - 2012-09-25 06:06:51 UTC

TharOkha wrote:

According incursion nerf. I dont have problem with that. I was incursion runner too (and made nice isks there) but i agree that rewards were astronomical (for hisec). But why oh why they nerfed lowsec incursion too?. There is big cry that lowsec is nearly empty. Incursion community was/is large enough to go to lowsec and do them (and i remember that we were on some of them, we even encoutered you (goons) and it was quite fun. But for what reason should we go to lowsec incs when hisec incs are still more attractive than lowsec? Nerfing hisec and lowsec in same time is not the way how to attract more ppl to low.

I agree that lowsec incursions should have remained as they were, maybe with minor adjustments but not balancing them around being run with shiny faction BS. They are inherently much more dangerous since the gates have scramming rats and somebody can light a cyno on you the moment your fleet pops the mothership.

Honestly, I believe they should have been exclusive to lowsec since it was in serious need of something unique (and by that I don't mean broken FW sites that can be run in frigates)

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TharOkha

0asis Group

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#112 - 2012-09-25 06:36:31 UTC

Andski wrote:

i can agree with this post but hisec incs should remain (for training). According cyno after mothership kill, there should be 30-60 mins for cooldown, so even you pop mothership, cynojam will be still active.

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Josef Djugashvilis

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#113 - 2012-09-25 07:01:51 UTC | Edited by: Josef Djugashvilis

Pipa Porto wrote:

Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

How dare they improve your missions. Roll

Changed, not improved.

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Drop of Honey 513
Seleia O'Sinnor Drop of Honey Likes received: 513	#114 - 2012-09-25 07:21:53 UTC I hope everyone starts doing FW with this rediculous amount of income. Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1, but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.


Lord Zim Gallente Federation Likes received: 2,451	#115 - 2012-09-25 07:24:57 UTC Seleia O'Sinnor wrote: I hope everyone starts doing FW with this rediculous amount of income. Everybody really should. It doesn't take long to train an alt for it either. Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home. RIP Vile Rat

Kallisti Industries 1,213
Lors Dornick Kallisti Industries Likes received: 1,213	#116 - 2012-09-25 07:43:01 UTC Seleia O'Sinnor wrote: I hope everyone starts doing FW with this rediculous amount of income. Hmm, cheap implants are nice CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.

Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 631
Chandaris Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel Likes received: 631	#117 - 2012-09-25 14:26:14 UTC 1 CCP need to get off their asses and plug this exploit ASAP.

King Rothgar

Deadly Solutions

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#118 - 2012-09-25 14:41:11 UTC

FW is currently broken, far more broken than it was before the "fix." CCP has put forward some solid ideas to actually fix it though I think there is tons of room for improvement in them.

Currently, FW is not an isk faucet since it does not generate significant amounts of isk (FW lvl4's do create a little, maybe 2M per mission). But its role as isk sink has been diminished due to greatly reduced LP store isk costs. Additionally, everything is so damn cheap at tier 5 that it makes any non-FW LP basically worthless. The only good bit of news here is the losing side of both fronts has greatly enhanced faction item values since FW LP can't buy them reasonably.

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Smodab Ongalot

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#119 - 2012-09-25 16:14:22 UTC | Edited by: Smodab Ongalot

King Rothgar wrote:

But its role as isk sink has been diminished due to greatly reduced LP store isk costs.

I feel the need to correct this very common misconception.

Tier level DOES NOT affect the isk/lp ratio sink.

Since the tier based cost savings affect both LP and ISK cost, the ratio remains constant regardless of tier. The only thing that changes is the number of items that are created.

Also, I'll confirm that you can easily make 5b/week on a single account part-time AFK plexing using a 900k SP toon.

Doomheim 193
Imports Plus Doomheim Likes received: 193	#120 - 2012-09-25 16:22:22 UTC \| Edited by: Imports Plus Smodab Ongalot wrote: Also, I'll confirm that you can easily make 5b/week on a single account part-time AFK plexing using a 900k SP toon. A super carrier every month nice! I have 3 characters training right now!!! Leave this alone CCP, thanks.