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Is 180b isk per week from factional warfare normal? Is it balanced?
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Elinarien
Doomheim
#61 - 2012-09-24 09:08:47 UTC
Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will understand that the FW changes introduced this year are the result of poor design, even worse implementation and an outcome that is just fubar. Why the lead designer wasn't sacked this is beyond comprehension.
Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#62 - 2012-09-24 09:08:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Saede Riordan
FW itself really shouldn't be an isk faucet at all. The act of running the sites and taking control of the system shouldn't be rewarded, because all that rewards is rapidly flipping systems. What should be rewarded is holding systems, with the rewards increasing the more systems you hold. This encourages players to want to hold onto their space. Currently, the space itself means nothing, its just the place where you go for FW. Its not worth fighting over, so all the fighting is just for the sake of fighting.

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Generals4
#63 - 2012-09-24 09:58:38 UTC
Saede Riordan wrote:
FW itself really shouldn't be an isk faucet at all. The act of running the sites and taking control of the system shouldn't be rewarded, because all that rewards is rapidly flipping systems. What should be rewarded is holding systems, with the rewards increasing the more systems you hold. This encourages players to want to hold onto their space. Currently, the space itself means nothing, its just the place where you go for FW. Its not worth fighting over, so all the fighting is just for the sake of fighting.


Since when is FW an isk faucet? It's most likely one of the biggest isk sinks in game. FW produces 0 isks and costs isks when purchasing Faction items in the LP store.

It is however a huge income source and with too little risks attached to it. It will however, luckily, be "fixed" with the winter expansion. And let's not forget that if the players want to nerf FW they can: boycott factional items and FW'ers won't have any income source.

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Zendon Taredi
Tier Four Technologies
#64 - 2012-09-24 10:18:54 UTC
WTF. CCP does not know math. That is pretty clear by now.
snake pies
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#65 - 2012-09-24 10:32:14 UTC
A lot of misinformation, but I will say this much, the price you pay for the best isk per hour ratio in game is the life expectancy of your wrist holding the mouse, and that's without even considering the cashout process.
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-09-24 11:10:01 UTC
Amsterdam Conversations wrote:

Are you one of those people who believe we didn't land on the moon and that there's a hidden german base at the south pole?


What do You mean, hidden? I thought that was common knowledge... o_O

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

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Josef Djugashvilis
#67 - 2012-09-24 11:23:51 UTC
TharOkha wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
when I asked about null sec levels of income I was given an average figure of 30 mill per hour


If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics.


I am inclined to agree with you, even though I have little experience of null sec ratting etc.

I suspect it is just the null sec folk crying poverty so that they can just whinge about how much hi-sec folk make running level 4 missions.

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ECM Jesus
Wormhole Exploration And Production
#68 - 2012-09-24 11:33:44 UTC
Hello friends. This is ECM Jesus. I am the eternal president of the premier FW farm corp known as RAM Legion DOT and soon to be leader of traitor corp RAM Legion DOT Reloaded DOT. I am sad that there are so many pvp roleplaying scrubs in FW when you can farm like me and get this and more every week.

Remember roleplayers you must dump your LP for T5. Someone must fall for me and my friends (me) in Ram legion to succeed.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-09-24 11:40:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
TharOkha wrote:
If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics.


A blaster Naga can generate 90m-120m per hour in Guristas/Serpentis regions and a Vindicator can generate 120m-150m per hour, but those figures are basically with shield gank setups that die the moment anything sneezes at them (and yes, people shoot you in nullsec!) On the other hand, before the Escalation nerf to incursions, those income figures were achievable with T3/faction BS fleets and one guy I know had a Nightmare with a two slot tank and had no problem because they were ridiculously safe. Yet people want the Escalation changes reversed because it killed the incursion ~community~ or whatever.

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Hrothgar Nilsson
#70 - 2012-09-24 12:03:42 UTC
Karah Serrigan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2012-09-24 12:35:23 UTC
Andski wrote:
TharOkha wrote:
If anyone making only 30m/hr in null, then something is terribly wrong. I am hisec dweller mostly, but occasionaly i go ninja rat to null. 80m/hr is no problem in null. Of course you have to know which regions, what tactics, chances to intercept officers etc. Same rules are in hisec. If anyone is whining that hisec pilots earns too much and more than nullsec pilot, maybe its time to review their abilities and skills in earning isk. Problem is in pilots, not EvE mechanics.


A blaster Naga can generate 90m-120m per hour in Guristas/Serpentis regions and a Vindicator can generate 120m-150m per hour, but those figures are basically with shield gank setups that die the moment anything sneezes at them (and yes, people shoot you in nullsec!) On the other hand, before the Escalation nerf to incursions, those income figures were achievable with T3/faction BS fleets and one guy I know had a Nightmare with a two slot tank and had no problem because they were ridiculously safe. Yet people want the Escalation changes reversed because it killed the incursion ~community~ or whatever.

Implying there were no griefers blowing up faction fitted battleships by either abusing the aggression mechanics, awoxing, refusing to put their remote reps on ships, wardeccing or straight up suicide ganking. I agree with you that the nerf was rightful and the huge isk faucet somewhat hurt the game, but straight out saying highsec was oh so dandy and nullsec is so full of risks is bullshit.
Selinate
#72 - 2012-09-24 12:46:55 UTC
Andski wrote:
Selinate wrote:
You're bitching about CCP making missions interesting?

Jesus Christ, why do you people even play video games? I can't understand for the life of me targeting the same semi-worthless rats over and over just to farm isk.


already answered that:

Andski wrote:
high-sec is full of entitled children who will throw tantrums and unsub, shoot statues and complain whenever CCP even entertains the thought of nerfing one of their hilariously easy-mode PvE isk faucets like incursions and L4s

they want to make nullsec levels of income while in highsec and demanding that CCP gives them a thick helmet, elbow and knee pads, training wheels and continues making the space safer and less risky, i.e. crimewatch



****, it's not like I read every single comment in a thread before I post.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-09-24 12:48:31 UTC
108b isk per week isnt normal
on faction warfare it is.

Faction Warfare, Not even once

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Abannan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2012-09-24 12:55:52 UTC
Speaker for TheDead wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.



Your logic is flawed. Both give LP, but one is a sink, and one is a faucet? Shocked



Incursions give an isk reward for completing sites, actual isk. This is a faucet
Fw plexes do not give isk rewards, they just give LP, which to use in 75% of cases you need to spend isk also to get the rewards. This is an sink
Jimmy Gunsmythe
Sebiestor Tribe
#75 - 2012-09-24 12:58:01 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.



Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence. Cool

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2012-09-24 13:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Karah Serrigan wrote:
Implying there were no griefers blowing up faction fitted battleships by either abusing the aggression mechanics, awoxing, refusing to put their remote reps on ships, wardeccing or straight up suicide ganking. I agree with you that the nerf was rightful and the huge isk faucet somewhat hurt the game, but straight out saying highsec was oh so dandy and nullsec is so full of risks is bullshit.


Wardecs are irrelevant since they're easily dodged, awoxing is easily avoided because everyone and their mother is in personal tax dodging corps and as for the rest, these things happen in nullsec on a much larger scale with ships much more expensive and harder to replace (see: supercapital fleets)

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Selinate
#77 - 2012-09-24 13:03:36 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
And with every FW Tier 5 attained the inflation of PLEX has skyrocketed now at a near all time high once again... where are all the tears about how FW is ruining the economy like Incursions were?


FW doesn't cause inflation. Inflation is caused by ISK Faucets. FW is an ISK Sink, not a Faucet. Incursions were an ISK Faucet.



Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence. Cool


There's a fundamental difference between the value of isk itself going down and the value of other items going up.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-09-24 13:07:24 UTC
Jimmy Gunsmythe wrote:
Weird. Cause when the ISK flowed better than it does now, things were cheaper. The ice/mining interdictions came and all of a sudden, things started going up. Musta been coincidence. Cool


wow you mean that if you choke the supply of minerals and ice, prices might go up????

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#79 - 2012-09-24 13:17:37 UTC
Andski you're not helping nullsec or high sec

shut the **** up

Tedium and difficulty are not the same thing, if you don't realize this then STFU about game design.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#80 - 2012-09-24 13:22:57 UTC
Denidil wrote:
Andski you're not helping nullsec or high sec

shut the **** up


yes highsec needs its broken incursion income back

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