EVE General Discussion

IF it's true HAMs are getting +dmg -radius explo +base speed and if you add for a fact some ships will get +rof+missile speed then hell, yes yes yes and yes.
Will not make me change my taste for my prot vs my tengu or the other two but being able to choose different tools able to achieve the same task differently, I can't ask a better balance.

Of course this is only suppositions based on some smart words left here and there by our devil Devs but the more I read from them about this whole thing the more I look like this when I read "nerf" comments here and there.

The Tengu has the same problems as the Drake (cause it can be fit as a longer range, higher damage, better tank Drake) with the addition of being overpowered in 1v1s (Hi there 100mn AB Tengu).

As CCP Fozzie mentioned, the reason for this is that HAMs didn't exist when HMLs were introduced, so HMLs were intended to split the difference between short and long range weapon systems (and by split the difference, I guess they mean "take the best aspects of both"). That's why HMLs provide AC-like DPS out at or past Arty range.

Meh say what you want about me if this nerf happens CCP will not get an other dime out of me for my 3 accounts.

Don't worry, we will... if anyone remembers you at all....

Threatening to quit because a well documented and necessary change was implemented won't gain you any traction with CCP or with the rest of us.

First, Got any evidence of other nerfs causing any sort of mass exodous?

Second, There are some 350,000 active accounts, not 50.

Third, the long term health of the game is good for CCP's pocketbook.

You suggested a loss of at least 1 in 50 players. That's a bigger loss than Incarna caused.

Where's the evidence to suggest that nerfs cause any statistically significant loss in playerbase?

Oh, and how would these changes cause an increase in PLEX prices?

Did it ever occur to you that everybody here is saying that you are making claims without any sort of backing, that your arguments and conclusions are bullshit and dont follow simple because you are wrong?

I've read all your posts in this tread, and everything that you said about HM has been proven wrong by the other posters. Your claim that HS dwellers move to WH when missions are nerfed is unsubstantiated, AI improvements may have the opposit effect that you described, as you have no clue how they will play.

One can only come to the conclusion that between your educated guess and a flipped coin, the coin have a higher change of being right about the future of these changes.

Frist of all, before missile nerf, fix broken FW incomes, broken incrusion, broken economy because of this.
Missile it self are not overpowered, they just more easy mode, but in fact guns are better.
Get more subscibers! than focusing on things who make people mad!

EvE online factory of nerfs.

Well, you are the one making the claims, so the burden to prove them falls on you. I don't have to prove you wrong, you have to prove yourself right, as you make the OP claiming thousands would quit based on a change to HM and NPC AI.

You might still be right in the end, future will tell, but you won't be right based on the premises and conclusions of your case, as they are wrong, you will be right because other factors that you didn't see came into play.

No shame in that mate, human interplay is very complex, and if it ever comes to only two options (not very likely) you can only hope to have chosen as well as a tossed coin.

Mean time, read the other good posters in this tread and incorporate what they say about HM and the proper uses of missiles in PVE. May be usefull to you after the nerf.

Honestly, if highsec does get a bigger hit, I do see wormholes getting a bit more active - it has happened in the past but not major shifts.

There is some logic to it as well:

There are plenty of reasons for choosing wormhole activity over any other space if highsec is how you usually operate. You don't have to move your stuff and can start doing it with fairly limited probe skills.

It is less common, by huge margins, to find wormhole entrances/exits camped but it does happen. It is far more common to find paths to null camped - there aren't as many and are popular spots to camp.

Lowsec - some do operate there but getting in can be touchy at times and it has a fairly bad rep for most highsec dwellers plus "not that great" income potential.

Wormholes tend to be seen as "risky" but peaking in isn't tough and you can duck out quickly and easily if it does appear dangerous upon entry - no gate in the game can be that easily "click back out" to survive. Income potential is far better than either highsec or lowsec -- only nullsec caps it but null is a fairly long distance from most popular highsec areas.

You can run from highsec into w-space and back to highsec without spending 30+ minutes travel time from pretty much anywhere. It tends to be a hell of a lot farther to get to nullsec and the trip back out can be just as time consuming and dangerous as getting in there.

As for the other stuff - meh... mixing fact with opinion and insinuations is common. Zeitgeist for a fun example of such mix & match - there's plenty of fact mix with opinions and unsupported assertions in that movie but it has enough real info with the rest to keep it interesting.