EVE General Discussion

Ships can also be nerfed by making all the others more powerful.

The AI changes will have some impact but the lowering of the value of 2 ships? Very little; if any.

Tengu = "king" of the T3's. The only reason that T3 was used so heavily is that it was obviously the best. The Loki, Proteus and Legion can each be fit out to do the same things but not as efficiently. The same with many/most other ships of the appropriate classes - they "can" get the job done but aren't as efficient so are second choice style options.

The loss of some efficiency will bring the use of other ships up. It won't shut-down attempts, simply diversify who's using what to do the sites vs just those 2 very popular models. (hell a shield-tanked Myrm gets right in there with DPS, mobility and tank with a Drake - the Drake has a fairly small margin on it and it's been that way for a long time.)

No, there won't be less money in T3's - it will diversify is all - more of the other models will be sold for use. Those who hold Tengu BP's will find the market moving a lot less as demand wanes but that demand will go over to other makes of ships.

Again, I don't see any type of doom and gloom for WH runners. Simply more options that are on-par vs fewer options that are easy so "the way to go".

On the AI - it's a big wait and see for exactly how it works out. *ANY* changes to the AI will show real impact. Good, bad or just more shuffling around - no clue until it goes live.

When being snarky, maybe you should drop the ISD tag and use your normal ingame Character.

While I agree with most of what you have posted in this thread, I don't entirely agree with this. The fact that not a great proportion of people use drone boats compared to turret/missile boats is fair enough, but 800dps from sentry drones alone is hardly an 'insignificant amount of gunboat or missileboat damage.'

My personal opinion is that with the addition of the new drone modules and with good skills drone-boats are one of the best options for PVE. Almost instant selection of damage type & range, instant damage projection, no ammo costs, virtual immunity to EWAR (Great for Guristas missions!).

Sure they have their downsides, but I'm genuinely suprised drone boats aren't used more. The changes in NPC AI will hardly affect any active drone boat user, but should hopefully give the 'sit in a plex and farm' or completely afk drone user a kick in the teeth.

I have to ask how many damage mods on a BS V Domi does that take?

Don't cuss at me and tell me I'm using a strawman when you are doing the same. I said "where do hisec carebears go when hisec takes a hit". First of all its happened to missions multiple times. They removed the higher level meta gear for missions and mission income went down; Wspace population went up server pop went down. When they nerfed VG's same thing happened. When they nerfed bounties server pop went down and wspace wasn't here yet so there was no where to go. I cant prove how many people live in Wspace, but server population is written in stone.

Tell me you dont think more tha a thousand people will leave the server over this and I'm overreacting and you are engaging in a debate like grown ups. Tell me I'm wrong about what happened in the past without actually saying what happened in the past is talking out your ass.

my love of eve comes from the variety of ways that exist to play the game. Seems to me that ccp is attempting to reduce that variety with every patch.

Ships and weaponry get "balanced" mainly in response to interminable bitching of the "haters" it seems. Eventually there will be little point in having a variety of ships to play as everyone will use the same one with the same fit.

this is true to an extent with the cookie cutter drake and while i am not a fan of the new missile adjustment i dont really worry about it much even though i do fly a tengu/drake /nighthawk. The nighthawk looks to become even less use with the nerf and much more specialised. Another dust gatherer.

The new Ai idea tho worries me. I am a multi account player.. I like to run missions with two or three toons and i use machariel and oracle or ishtar as a main pair.

now i have to contend with sleeper style ai? Fine in wh's or incursions i can cope in thereas i play in a different manner.

But with the loss of the one ship one tank one aggro system i will be penalized by the oracle geting aggro or drones dieing as i switch back and forward. I see this making multiboxing on missions harder. With drones gaining aggro sleeper style i'll lose more when now i lose one every month or so now can i look foraward to one or two per mission or even per five or six missions? CCp allows multiboxing so why alienate us in this way?

Not sure if this will be the case i'll try it on sisi and see but i feel aggrieved that my favoured style of play will be made harder for no apparent reason other than just to change it.

YOu want smarter Ai go to a wh and do sleeper sites. or go incursioning. perhaps make ded site ai a little sharper but leave the base mission level as it is. more complex ai in 5/10 upward would make some of the plexes much more of a challenge.

Change for changes sake is counter productive. Might be the thing that stops me playing altogether - who knows.

Although knowing the forums that wont worry anyone here much :D

My vote would be not to mod the Ai .. not fussed over the HMLs tho...although it seems that a lot of work that ive done getting my skills up and my damage to decent levels will be stuffed in a sack and drowned like unwanted kittens.

Exactly how much are heavy missiles getting nerfed, and since I only use T1 stuff, am I gonna have to start training for T2 if I want to be able to keep my DPS up?

Getting board with the tengu after a good 2 years running L4's with it a few months back may have been a sign, since I'm already nearing completion of some training for a Nightmare myself...good thing indeed.