EVE General Discussion

Actually, our ratting and PI taxes pretty much cover the sov bills and is about a tenth of our alliance income. Obviously, I can't speak for every other major sov holding alliance, but in the case of the GSF, the top down wealth of moon mining mostly pays for ship reimbursement and logistics costs. And the reimbursement system is there to keep our pilots flying in nullsec, instead of giving up of the first costly ship loss and heading back to low/highsec to grind some isk.

I guess it is self made in the sense that we took the moon mining route to fund our operations.

BUT, and I really can't stress how big of a but this is, the game itself provides no other major sources of revenue for the alliance wallet. That is why so many others have turned to renting. And if you think moon goo promotes holding more territory than you need and way to much blob warfare, take a good hard look at renting. With moons, you just need to hold the moon. With renting you must take space to expand your rental empire to bring in more isk.

Your alliance wants more isk? Take over your neighbor and rent out his space.

And you think blobs are bad, wait till you have a horde of renters you can demand fleet attendance from.


This is not a self-made problem. Lots of self made solutions, but the problem is the lack of wealth creating activities in nullsec, and especially wealth creating activities that can be adequately taxed to fund the alliance. It is a problem with the game. CCP has done everything BUT give us the tools to fix this. Nerf our moon goo, nerf our anoms, nerf the weapons used on our most popular ships. Still 1 outpost per system and only the worst outposts in the game.


There have been lots of ideas for what can be done to make nullsec a better place to actually log in and fly around and do stuff. CCP seems content to let in languish as some quasi-feudal base resource extraction economy. and then people wonder why there is no one hanging out in nullsec. When the only things to do in nullsec are to ship resources to highsec, and then buy finished goods in highsec to ship back to nullsec, you may as well just stay in highsec.




Having friends isn't a flaw. I know you think you can Rambo your way into toppling the biggest nullsec empires, but it is a fantasy that even you admit would need to major game changes to work (and even then it wouldn't work like you think).

Being able to be friendly with your neighbors is not a fundamental flaw with the game. It is the nature of the sandbox that sometimes people will work together to build their sandcastles. And every MMO that I've played that tried to put an arbitrary limit on organization size and allies was always worked around.

But so long as the little wealth there is in nullsec is so spread out (far flung moons or massive rental holding) alliances will have to blue huge areas.

If the wealth was more concentrated, alliance holdings and blue lists wouldn't need to be as large. But since the wealth is spread out, alliances are spread out. Simple as that.

The point behind this nerf/buff combination would be to take the nullsec pilots who are now making isk in hisec because it's the most convenient and the most profitable given the small amount of effort they have to put in to do so (I am one of them), and entice them back into nullsec, where they belong.

you do realize there's a war going on and most people are on the front line, right

no im actualy farming fw while it lasts

but my point is if I decide to go/hi-sec/0.0/lo-sec to make my isk or any other activty it is MY choice

there is no were they belong its theyer game time they can do what they like

thanx for your valid argument tho Meeeeeeeeeeeeeight

read last 3 words were you say WERE THEY BELONG

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just coz they fight for area doesnt mean they have to stay there

i agree tho there should b more insentive but nurfing one area of game so that nullsheep are more inclined to stay 0.0 is just stupid

why should everyone suffer becouse null is crap ??

"Everyone" must "suffer" because hisec has been designed to be too good, and every time CCP has tried to incentivize people to move to nullsec to make money there, they've basically ended up panic-nerfing the buff they just implemented a few months ago because of the effect it has (or would've had if it was left in for longer) on the economy.

And, there's been tons of isk sinks which have been removed from the game without a proper subsequent rise in replacement isk sinks, rising the sales tax in hisec would be one very easy and seamless way of adding exactly that. In addition, they can change this percentage as they see fit in response to the numbers they have on how much isk goes into the economy vs how much isk exits the economy, to get the desired result.

A very large portion of the characters in hisec are alts of nullsec.


Yeah, this is irrelevant sperging from start to finish. Have fun with that.


Whatever stirs your sausage. vOv

Nope, as you can see most hisec characters are in lol 5 alt corps.

I don't think people who want to play in highsec or lowsec should be forced anywhere. I don't subscribe to the notion that nullsec is _the_ End Game. The end game is what ever you want, and lowsec piracy and highsec missions and trading are totally legitimate goals.


The problem is, ccp delivers on the promises of highsec. Until FW, they had largely neglected lowsec, but you could still do piracy operations due to the rather anemic gate guns.

Other than TiDi, which was a big help to running large fleets, ccp really hasn't delivered on the concept of player made empires in nullsec. The only big money maker is moons, and our infrastructure is worse than what can be found in the rest of Eve, even though we have to pay billions out of pocket for it. I'm pretty sure Deklein only has 1 station that does a 50% base refine.


People love throwing out the stereotype that nullsec is nothing but blobs and CTAs. Have any of you stopped and figured out why that is? It is because there is nothing else to do there that can't be done easier and more profitably in high/lowsec. We get a bit more ratting but only if we pay extra isk for it.

But industry sucks because there aren't enough good refinery or factory stations. Trade sucks because the only game is to export raw material and import finished goods from empire. There is nothing else to really deal in. And since people are not moving commodities around, there are no targets for small gangs. Best they can do is catch unaware ratters.

What we need is more reason for nullsec players to spend more time in nullsec, creating wealth that can be taxed enough so that alliances don't have to rely on moons and draconian rental agreements. Until ccp fixes this, nullsec is just going to be a place where people log in for CTAs, to push around renters and to haul off another batch of moon goo.


Nullsec is boring because ccp won't put anything to do there. It doesn't help that they made the less dangerous areas have more and better of pretty much everything. They need to fix the balance issue of highsec having both the least risk and many of the best rewards.

feel free to go back and drop a few hundred SBU's.
Let us know how that works out.