EVE General Discussion

This still isn't the problem some people wants it to be, the main problem is that it's currently way, way too easy to be the defender if you can defeat the other guys consistently by blobbing out the last timer.

This is all more or less spot on.


Mining is terrible because it's boring as **** and it pays **** compared to everything else you can do in nullsec (and if you want less effort and basically the same reward as the best highend: scordite.

I'm not sure what you mean by capital proliferation causing this, though.


Technically this isn't true, but the effort/reward ratio makes L4s look a lot better than you might think. And then of course there's FW farmville now.


I'm not sure why you point out JBs, I barely use JBs ever myself, and in any case I used a throwaway scout alt whenever I flew anything around in nullsec... this was, however, very very seldom.


Before JFs, there were titans and freighter ops. These sucked ass. They were boring as ****, for all parties except whomever intercepted them and one-volleyed them and moonwalked out of the system afterwards. **** freighter ops in the face.

And again with the jumpbridges.

Oh, so in other words, what you want is for T2 prices to spike hard, because you're jealous of null?

Okay then.

You don't particularly understand this whole supply/demand thing, do you?

Wrong again. You CAN hold those towers.

That's YOUR choice. If it aint you, it CAN be someone else and again TZ will prove irrelevant. At present, TZ and timers are used as a defense. This would REMOVE that.

(I am curious about the burst of energy from Goons whenever there is talk of changing anything in 0.0 - fascinating)


On this point: "...we would make just as much isk off a smaller number of even more valuable moons."

EXACTLY. You chose what you want to hold. Suddenly losing said moons is gonna change the way you play. Having those moons suddenly vulnerable is going to make EVERYONE either nervous or gleeful.

Can't defend it - lose it.

And highsec produce which moon goo exactly?

And besides, if they don't pack 'em up and put 'em away you can blow it up anyway. Nothing changes there. You could always make MOAR POASTS about them bad highsec guys having 24 hours to pack up their ****. Doh.

I guess you haven't done any industry at all, have you?

I mean, if you don't know that hisec POSes are mostly used for BPO ME/PE research, BPC creation and invention, then I don't know what to tell you.

Hell, some are machoistic and even do production in them, for some reason.


So, higher prices for t2 goo, higher prices for t2 bpcs, higher prices for researched BPOs ... is there anything else you'd like to inflate the prices of while you're ******* the economy even harder than CCP already is?

OP doesn't get it.

He started the entire thread under one point, made himself look like an idiot and has been changing and refining his point post by post.

Now I see he's moved onto changing PoS mechanics.

His "entire point" originally was that WE were wasting our space because no one shot his shuttle and he didn't see anyone in several systems, therefore WE were wasting our space. Obviously he was just talking about us, because he called the CFC out specifically; now he's trying to argue a general problem with PoS's and moon mining, two things he didn't say **** about in his OP. He started out talking about having to defend space around the clock to maintane sov, now he's on about moon goo.

He's still not getting the entire point of,
If it's harder for us, it'll be a thousand times harder for smaller alliances and corps.

If you think that null is dominated by nothing but large alliances and coalitions now, what the OP is saying will only make things incredibly worse. No one would be able to do anything if they weren't apart of a huge coalition because no one but a coalition wold be able to field fleets large enough to keep around the clock defense.

Everyone keeps telling the OP that 1+1=2 and he keeps coming back with, my point is it should equal 3, my point is it should equal 4, my point is it should equal 5, WTF was my point again?



Funny thing OP, if you can't defend your space, you won't be able to hold. It already ******* works that way.

The problem isn't defense of the system is the worth of it.

Let's see, you seem to have no concept of the correlation between supply/demand and the price of a good (and the ensuing prices of goods depending on said good), you want to make moongoo even scarcer than it is today, you want to make BPO/BPC/invention more expensive, and you actually, unironically think you'd make the game better?

Or is this just a thinly veiled "you blew up my mackinaw, now I will put forth an awful mechanics suggestion and get my revenge" situation?

Yah, he's all over the place.

I do agree with his initial point about empty systems. It would be cool if every system had some sort of content in it to attract players. But this also has to be balanced with the fact that the real world has its own share of empty space and fly-over country.


And now it has just devolved into screw-the-goons thread #349122

He's flailing around trying to find any mechanic tweak that he (mistakenly) thinks will hurt us.