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Shepard Wong Ogeko
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2012-09-27 01:54:33 UTC
The only things that we need to defend are on the front lines right now.

If something was attacked else where, the fleet could move or extra people could log in. If you had decided to attack stuff behind our lines, well guess what, you would now be the target of the op everyone is on.



No one is in those empty systems because there is nothing to do there. Not much to mine or rat or form fleets to defend. There are plenty of people elsewhere attacking and defending sov structures.


Your idea is bad for the little guy. Bad for the Eve economy as a whole. Will not have any effect on alliances who's strategic asset is the space they rent out (most of nullsec). And if your ultimate goal is to hamper the moon goo revenue of your enemy, you can do that now by just putting the tower into reinforce like normal, so it adds nothing new on that front.

Besides, if you hate POS shots so much because of the current mechanics, don't do them. Go get a small gang and shut down ratting or mining in some rental system. Find a well traveled choke point and gank haulers. There is so much more to this game then POS shots.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#202 - 2012-09-27 01:58:17 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
On the first point. If you can get back in time. The timing would need to be worked out to make it touch-n-go for both parties.

Multiple chars, multiple accounts. "Getting back in time" isn't an issue.

Touval Lysander wrote:
On the second. K. Good point. So pull timers off everything. wth.... Make it REAL. (there was talk of destructible stations once - is it still on the cards?)

Aaaaand we're back to when I harped on and on about timezones.

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if timers were removed from everything, since that would mean that we'd be active in all timezones, hitting different bunches of people based upon when they were strong or weak, and probably in some cases even doing so much damage that they go to bed one day with a constellation full of structures, and wake up to their entire constellation stripped absolutely bare of any and all structures.

1) This would **** up the economy something fierce.
2) It would drive even more people out of nullsec.
3) We'd **** you up.
4) No, seriously, we would.

Touval Lysander wrote:
On the 3rd. I accept this. tbh, I'm banking on tedium as a factor as well. For GSF & friends, TZ is not really an issue either so it's hard to find "the bit" that will work.

I've no idea what you're on about here.

Touval Lysander wrote:
As long as we can both accept that the whole concept and execution of 0.0 sov wars exist under a predisposed outcome atm.

I've no idea what you're on about here.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#203 - 2012-09-27 02:06:01 UTC
As for sov wars.

Somewhere around Valentines Day. Deployed north rdy for defense until the flip on blue. Didnt get to play but understood wtf was happening.

Was it YK? Anchored on an Erebus (1 of 15 on field) to defend against the Joymans. Sat there for 3 hours before we went and played POS bash somewhere to relieve the boredom.

Played at hero on a lowsec POS bash down south before somebody made a seriously bad call and RK decimated us.

Best fun I ever had was in EOS (Scalding Pass) constantly harassed by ninja POS's (Section XIII) for weeks.

Cleared Section XIII no problems but guess what.

EOS was rofl-stomped out of Scalding Pass by COW without a shot being fired. Couldn't even hope to counter the blueball and our "friends" decided they didn't want a fight.

So a smattering of knowledge - just enough to know what I liked and what I didn't like.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#204 - 2012-09-27 02:12:45 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I would love it if timers were removed from everything, since that would mean that we'd be active in all timezones, hitting different bunches of people based upon when they were strong or weak, and probably in some cases even doing so much damage that they go to bed one day with a constellation full of structures, and wake up to their entire constellation stripped absolutely bare of any and all structures.

1) This would **** up the economy something fierce.
2) It would drive even more people out of nullsec.
3) We'd **** you up.
4) No, seriously, we would.


100% correct.

Because
1) you could
2) you still can
3) and always will

because of current sov mechanics

atm, it'd be like trying to lock the gate after the horse has bolted.

Can we bring a level playing field back? How do we do it?


"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#205 - 2012-09-27 04:05:41 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It would be a lot easier to burn down people's homes without reinforce timers, since the titans can do it really fast. Imagine, a "Supercap roam" that burns down half of someone's home because they didn't want to waste the cap on their Avatar. Or, if you were a smaller group with a few systems, all your things would be not only burning, but ash all of a sudden.

Let's rock and roll.

Well it would liven things up a little. Cool


If by "Liven up" you mean "Make nullsec completely unlivable" then yes I guess it would. Congratulations on your hilariously stupid idea.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#206 - 2012-09-27 04:15:02 UTC
Also you are coming at this from the wrong direction. You should be asking "Why don't people want to live in nullsec" which is the real reason this mythical band of conquering pubbies has yet to put any real concentrated effort into even finding out how sov mechanics work by so much as dropping a SBU or two.

There are entire chunks of unclaimed sov floating around that seemingly no one gives a **** enough to just walk out and claim. So this wild hair belief that the pubbies are just Chompin at the Bit to get them into some Nullsec if only those pesky sov mechanics weren't in the way is kinda bullshit.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#207 - 2012-09-27 04:15:42 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
It would be a lot easier to burn down people's homes without reinforce timers, since the titans can do it really fast. Imagine, a "Supercap roam" that burns down half of someone's home because they didn't want to waste the cap on their Avatar. Or, if you were a smaller group with a few systems, all your things would be not only burning, but ash all of a sudden.

Let's rock and roll.

Well it would liven things up a little. Cool


If by "Liven up" you mean "Make nullsec completely unlivable" then yes I guess it would. Congratulations on your hilariously stupid idea.

Yeah. Hate for you to have to do some work to keep dat stuff from being blowed up and all.

Ya all go tank dat sov proply yeah. Tank dem stations bro. Earnz ya money dude, ya gotz it to ez.

Sorries. Gotz carried away bro. Dis ain't a whiney highsec poastings.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#208 - 2012-09-27 04:17:30 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Also you are coming at this from the wrong direction. You should be asking "Why don't people want to live in nullsec" which is the real reason this mythical band of conquering pubbies has yet to put any real concentrated effort into even finding out how sov mechanics work by so much as dropping a SBU or two.

There are entire chunks of unclaimed sov floating around that seemingly no one gives a **** enough to just walk out and claim. So this wild hair belief that the pubbies are just Chompin at the Bit to get them into some Nullsec if only those pesky sov mechanics weren't in the way is kinda bullshit.

Keep poastings ya responses on da fly dude. Ya haven't picked up on the thread yetz.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#209 - 2012-09-27 04:27:36 UTC
You come off as just a hair stupid. FYI. Sick burns though.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#210 - 2012-09-27 04:29:24 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
You come off as just a hair stupid. FYI. Sick burns though.

Keeps me entertained.

Why are you here?

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#211 - 2012-09-27 04:33:26 UTC
I imagine you were sitting at your computer hawing away as you made your last two responces, thinking you were funny.

Humor tends to involve a bit of intelligence though. Parents should stop patting their kids on the head and telling them how funny they are, you end up with this guy.
Ghazu
#212 - 2012-09-27 04:35:19 UTC
Tell me how you are going to chew through the HP of poses and other butter producing structures, even without timers.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#213 - 2012-09-27 04:39:16 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Tell me how you are going to chew through the HP of poses and other butter producing structures, even without timers.

You didn't know?

Without timers the incompetents will suddenly figure out how to band together to organize an attack on multiple systems at once. Obviously with the thousands of people in GSF alone we woudln't be able to stop them. We sure wouldn't procede to move massive fleets into any and all systems that we desired and begin burning them to nothing, while the incopetence figure how they're supposed to afford nonstop PvP without the ability to do anything that generates ISK.

No timers would indeed be the best thing ever.


For goons.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#214 - 2012-09-27 04:46:17 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I imagine you were sitting at your computer hawing away as you made your last two responces, thinking you were funny.

Humor tends to involve a bit of intelligence though. Parents should stop patting their kids on the head and telling them how funny they are, you end up with this guy.

Many 1 liner responses (predominately by Goons strangely) show a complete lack of appreciation and respect for any debate, even if you don't agree with the content.

So my likewise rebuttal is bad? Who made you the Morality King about what, when and how?

And to boot, your response (with all it's serious spacecop overtones) is go for the man, not the topic.

Yep. Well done. I'll follow your lead instead next time.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Ghazu
#215 - 2012-09-27 04:47:36 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I imagine you were sitting at your computer hawing away as you made your last two responces, thinking you were funny.

Humor tends to involve a bit of intelligence though. Parents should stop patting their kids on the head and telling them how funny they are, you end up with this guy.

Many 1 liner responses (predominately by Goons strangely) show a complete lack of appreciation and respect for any debate, even if you don't agree with the content.

So my likewise rebuttal is bad? Who made you the Morality King about what, when and how?

And to boot, your response (with all it's serious spacecop overtones) is go for the man, not the topic.

Yep. Well done. I'll follow your lead instead next time.

Tell me how you are going to chew through the HP of poses and other butter producing structures, even without timers.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#216 - 2012-09-27 04:49:04 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


No timers would indeed be the best thing ever.

For goons.

So let's put in a request for it shall we? If it comes from you guys it'll get more traction.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Ghazu
#217 - 2012-09-27 04:50:31 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


No timers would indeed be the best thing ever.

For goons.

So let's put in a request for it shall we? If it comes from you guys it'll get more traction.


no your idea is dumb.

http://www.minerbumping.com/ lol what the christ https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2299984#post2299984
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#218 - 2012-09-27 04:53:36 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


No timers would indeed be the best thing ever.

For goons.

So let's put in a request for it shall we? If it comes from you guys it'll get more traction.


no your idea is dumb.

I've noticed he hasn't responded to you, wonder why.
Touval Lysander
Zero Wine
#219 - 2012-09-27 04:53:52 UTC
Ghazu wrote:
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:


No timers would indeed be the best thing ever.

For goons.

So let's put in a request for it shall we? If it comes from you guys it'll get more traction.


no your idea is dumb.


Quote:
Many 1 liner responses (predominately by Goons strangely) show a complete lack of appreciation and respect for any debate, even if you don't agree with the content.

"I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad..."
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#220 - 2012-09-27 04:54:50 UTC
Touval Lysander wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
I imagine you were sitting at your computer hawing away as you made your last two responces, thinking you were funny.

Humor tends to involve a bit of intelligence though. Parents should stop patting their kids on the head and telling them how funny they are, you end up with this guy.

Many 1 liner responses (predominately by Goons strangely) show a complete lack of appreciation and respect for any debate, even if you don't agree with the content.

So my likewise rebuttal is bad? Who made you the Morality King about what, when and how?

And to boot, your response (with all it's serious spacecop overtones) is go for the man, not the topic.

Yep. Well done. I'll follow your lead instead next time.

What
The
****
Are you even saying?


You still haven't figured out what side is up on a spoon have you?