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Dec Shield - End of the Second Era

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Alec Enderas
Space Wolves ind.
Solyaris Chtonium
#281 - 2012-10-29 12:13:58 UTC
Wong Wing wrote:
Ummm can someone correct me if im wrong but if the agressing corp removes all isk from thier corp wallet once they are "trapped" the war will end after a week due to insufficeint funds to pay for the war ?

Im pretty sure thats how it works or at least used to work and so no-one will be "trapped" in a war v dec shield unless they are complete retards.


War set as mutual

I am not old, just bitter.
Wong Wing
Tradors'R'us
IChooseYou Alliance
#282 - 2012-10-29 12:32:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Wong Wing
Fair enough
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#283 - 2012-10-29 21:04:10 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
Alekseyev Karrde wrote:
Neutral-repair-bear detected.

I and people like me voted for you because you're the leader of one of the most well known mercenary organizations in the game and because we knew that changes to the war mechanics were on the slate for development. We did so knowing that you have always been very publicly against the use of neutral logistics and trusted that regardless of that you'd work to see that the mechanics changes were in the interest of the gameplay not sucking balls.

And here we are sitting here post inferno with a record low number of listed mercs in the merc contracts channel, every merc corp and alliance in the game entangled in a giant mass of mutual wars that shouldn't exist, charging clients unreasonable fees just to cover the cost of declaring war and with The 0rphanage disbanded and you think that the reason people are upset with you is a mechanic that we assumed was being changed anyway?

You're either totally detached from reality or you're being intellectually disingenuous to shirk making real responses to criticism, either way your failure to represent the people who got you your position on the CSM is absolute and your dismissive attitude is childish and disgraceful.

Alekseyev Karrde has actually been incredibly supportive of the goals of fixing wardecs. I genuinely feel bad about trapping him, and Hans Jagerblitzen because they're on the side of the people here. The CSM are on your side, every week they're pushing CCP to fix wardecs.

In other news, we just trapped Ushra'Khan, 297 man alliance, 11 corps. \o/


Sorry but you're wrong. Vimsy is correct in everything he's said about Alekseyeve Kard-whatever his name is.

I Didn't think I'd hear Zerg cowing down to Aleks, but I guess I didn't really know you in the first place. If I knew you were an Aleks fanboi I'd never have helped your cause in the past. The guy is a terrible self-serving CSM representative, and an even worse eve player. He still promotes the Merc contracts channel (even though its completely useless) b/c its his only means of perceived relevance.

Anybody who cries like Aleks just did about using neutral reps is bad and should be included with those crying about EWAR and falcon use. You're terrible b/c you haven't realized there are dozens of ways to counter those tactics. All you're doing is changing the possibilities for people with 1 main and a repper alt. For subscribers like myself with 5-8 remote repping alts, you've just made us into Gods. We'll be killing while the rest of you watch.

Many people in Eve, Aleks one of them want CCP to cater to them and make the game easy. This is the resulting mess everybody is in now. It will continue to be carebear friendly with the next expansion. AND Eve is pay to win, get over it.

no more games... it's real this time!!!
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#284 - 2012-10-29 21:07:11 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:

Sorry but you're wrong. Vimsy is correct in everything he's said about Alekseyeve Kard-whatever his name is.

I Didn't think I'd hear Zerg cowing down to Aleks, but I guess I didn't really know you in the first place. If I knew you were an Aleks fanboi I'd never have helped your cause in the past. The guy is a terrible self-serving CSM representative, and an even worse eve player. He still promotes the Merc contracts channel (even though its completely useless) b/c its his only means of perceived relevance.

Anybody who cries like Aleks just did about using neutral reps is bad and should be included with those crying about EWAR and falcon use. You're terrible b/c you haven't realized there are dozens of ways to counter those tactics. All you're doing is changing the possibilities for people with 1 main and a repper alt. For subscribers like myself with 5-8 remote repping alts, you've just made us into Gods. We'll be killing while the rest of you watch.

Many people in Eve, Aleks one of them want CCP to cater to them and make the game easy. This is the resulting mess everybody is in now. It will continue to be carebear friendly with the next expansion. AND Eve is pay to win, get over it.

I'll just jump on this right now. Never voted for him, don't know anything about him. All I know is that he supports our position to get wardecs fixed and seemed reasonable in email exchanges. If everyone wants to shoot him, then join Dec Shield and the war is all yours :)

Burn Highsec Griefers
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#285 - 2012-10-29 21:11:33 UTC
The Zerg Overmind wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:

Sorry but you're wrong. Vimsy is correct in everything he's said about Alekseyeve Kard-whatever his name is.

I Didn't think I'd hear Zerg cowing down to Aleks, but I guess I didn't really know you in the first place. If I knew you were an Aleks fanboi I'd never have helped your cause in the past. The guy is a terrible self-serving CSM representative, and an even worse eve player. He still promotes the Merc contracts channel (even though its completely useless) b/c its his only means of perceived relevance.

Anybody who cries like Aleks just did about using neutral reps is bad and should be included with those crying about EWAR and falcon use. You're terrible b/c you haven't realized there are dozens of ways to counter those tactics. All you're doing is changing the possibilities for people with 1 main and a repper alt. For subscribers like myself with 5-8 remote repping alts, you've just made us into Gods. We'll be killing while the rest of you watch.

Many people in Eve, Aleks one of them want CCP to cater to them and make the game easy. This is the resulting mess everybody is in now. It will continue to be carebear friendly with the next expansion. AND Eve is pay to win, get over it.

I'll just jump on this right now. Never voted for him, don't know anything about him. All I know is that he supports our position to get wardecs fixed and seemed reasonable in email exchanges. If everyone wants to shoot him, then join Dec Shield and the war is all yours :)


You get it now, self-serving CSM is affected so he decides to try and fix the problem. If it didn't affect Aleks he'd sit in his wormhole farming sleepers on his alt and not bat an eye (as he's been doing for the past 3 months).

I say leave the mechanic in place, it's separating the boys from the men. A new game play style is forming up and there will be new bawses in Eve.

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Stinky Vegina
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#286 - 2012-10-30 00:09:48 UTC
It doesn't actually cost us anything to be at war now and from what I just tested out it doesn't cost us anything different than before to war dec people.

I'm at a lose of how this affects us other than a email mail saying we're at war? There are no "fleets" of pvpers waiting outside the station for us or hunting us, we're deccing as we usually do without issues from/ to **** shield.

Take Stug corp for instance, they joined your alliance then our war is your war which is all good as it's free of charge for random targets for the 24 hours they have to be in your alliance, but now I can re-dec Stug for the same price I org. dec'd them for and they can't rejoin your alliance for the cool down period which means I still have 6+ days of targets with this group and they're still SOL as I'll just keep the bill paid until they disband or re-join you again at which time I still win as they will stay in your alliance = targets or quit again = targets...

I agree with what you're doing don't get me wrong but I would point out all the facts as we still win either way...the alliances or corps that join **** shield just make themselves more visible which I again say is great.

Zerg, if you were open to donations I personally would have sent you ISK for this.

:-)

Wong Wing wrote:
Ummm can someone correct me if im wrong but if the agressing corp removes all isk from thier corp wallet once they are "trapped" the war will end after a week due to insufficeint funds to pay for the war ?

Im pretty sure thats how it works or at least used to work and so no-one will be "trapped" in a war v dec shield unless they are complete retards.
Emerald Decartes
Syndicate Holdings
#287 - 2012-10-30 06:03:34 UTC
VegasMirage wrote:
Sanya Mazepa wrote:
The worst decision any ceo can make is joining this alliance. I have inherited 150 wars. Giving me more grief than I began with.


amazing how this thread is like the 3rd threadnaught on the topic for the past 3 months and people are just getting it

take down your POS's close your corp and reopen it


Your "threadnaught" was a gift from Kcd. Don't forget who's **** u sucked to get where you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TClSxYdUnlw

Sfff u and this thread.

..:):-)

Ed

D.F.C.S. no TRUST in mankind no confidence IN goverment there will never be enduring FREEDOM.
VegasMirage
Blank-Space
Northern Coalition.
#288 - 2012-10-30 08:20:49 UTC
Emerald Decartes wrote:
VegasMirage wrote:
Sanya Mazepa wrote:
The worst decision any ceo can make is joining this alliance. I have inherited 150 wars. Giving me more grief than I began with.


amazing how this thread is like the 3rd threadnaught on the topic for the past 3 months and people are just getting it

take down your POS's close your corp and reopen it


Your "threadnaught" was a gift from Kcd. Don't forget who's **** u sucked to get where you are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TClSxYdUnlw

Sfff u and this thread.

..:):-)

Ed


whaddafaqq? clarify plz

no more games... it's real this time!!!
Gate Green
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#289 - 2012-10-30 22:52:09 UTC
Confirming U'K is at war with Dec Shield (Sigh.), and that CCP's GM's do not see this as abuse, and confirm it as a perfectly valid mechanic. Le sigh.
Ugleb
Jotunn Risi
#290 - 2012-10-30 23:21:37 UTC
Confirming that U'K now has mutual wars against THREE different entities, NONE of which we ever declared war against or had ever even heard of before we declared war on a different alliance which we do NOT have a mutual war against.

If this is 'working as intended' then I think someone needs to explain the whole thing to me again now please, because I'm not getting it. Straight

If the alliance we war decced had us set mutual I would understand being 'trapped' into a war we started, but I don't see why three random corps/alliances get to lock us in when the original target hasn't. It would make more sense to me if the mutual wars all relied on the original target setting us mutual, with everything else ending when they relinquish the war.

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Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#291 - 2012-10-30 23:30:37 UTC
Although my sympathies go out to my brothers and sisters in Ushra'Khan...








I wholly approve of Space AIDS.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#292 - 2012-10-31 00:08:09 UTC
Everyone has AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS!
AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS!
Everyone has AIDS!

And so this is the end of our story
And everyone is dead from AIDS
It took from me my best friend
My only true pal
My only bright star (he died of AIDS)

Well I'm gonna march on Jita
Lead the fight and charge the brigades
There's a hero inside of all of us
I'll make them see everyone has AIDS

My father (AIDS!)
My sister (AIDS!)
My uncle and my cousin and her best friend (AIDS AIDS AIDS!)
The gays and the straights
And the white and the spades

Everyone has AIDS!
My grandma and my dog 'ol blue (AIDS AIDS AIDS)
CCP has got it and so do you (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
C'mon everybody we got quilting to do (AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS)
We gotta break down these baricades, everyone has
AIDS!
Horak Thor
Angry Mustellid
#293 - 2012-10-31 00:38:33 UTC
Woooo this effects me 0 although i might get new things to shoot that dont make me take sec hits \o/

.....
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#294 - 2012-10-31 01:32:42 UTC
If you think about it, it really fits with the "Retribution" theme, doesn't it?

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Philpip
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#295 - 2012-10-31 07:31:12 UTC
Hang on, I think I am missing something here.

Your whole premise is to lock in an 'attacking' corp / alliance into an endless war, turning the attackers into prey?

How does locking a war turn an active PvPer into a carebear?

We live in losec and shoot most things on sight. All you have done is save me some sec status \o/ (not that you'll come to losec).

No, you were not blobbed, you just didn't bring enough people to the fight!
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#296 - 2012-10-31 10:13:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Reppyk
Philpip wrote:
We live in losec and shoot most things on sight. All you have done is save me some sec status \o/ (not that you'll come to losec).
ZO is only playing with the wardec mechanisms, he doesn't have to hunt you down by himself.
I even think that the Decshield doesn't need to have pvprs in the alliance (or "giving the decs" to other (alt) corps).
The wardec itself is the grief. Most people don't care about losing a ship or two (after all we're all space-rich) to these wars. The problem is that someone could kill you. You know it may happen anytime, and you know you can't really prevent it.

Losses from last week :
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15043069 (radar/magneto cheetah)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15033238 (pve hound, for FW lvl4 missions ?)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=15040734 (pve drake)
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14975082 (prowler)

These are not even 5% of your losses, so yes (this additionnal wardec) is not a problem, but you know you have a few bears in your alliance (like any alliance).

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#297 - 2012-10-31 10:42:15 UTC
Lol we are always at war regardless, people can always kill us. Half of us are flashy and half of highsec is offlimits due to faction navies, none of those losses are related. Literally nothing changes, Rens and Hek are camped most of the time anyway.

3 out of those 4 are faction warfare losses due to derping. We have quite a few newbies so there is gonna be derping anyway.
The other one is zombies, whom we decced first. We already caused them to ditch all their lowsec pocos so mission accomplished, for further kills we will have to go down to Paragon Soul.

So to decshield, we live in eszur. It has a pretty TLF station, please come camp it with vindies.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#298 - 2012-10-31 10:45:27 UTC
If that war is not a problem, why are you posting 6x about it ? Blink

I AM SPACE CAPTAIN REPPYK. BEWARE.

Proud co-admin of frugu.net, a French fansite about EVE !
kraiklyn Asatru
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#299 - 2012-10-31 10:56:10 UTC
Hate incompetence and a broken game. Hate it even more if ****** CCP employees respond with 'working as intended'.

Hence my posting here, my posting about faction warfare etc.
The Zerg Overmind
Rule Reversal
#300 - 2012-10-31 12:20:33 UTC
It seems it's still possible to leave dead corps floating all over the place, including inside an alliance.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/corp/Wong_Wing_Corporation

This could potentially be very useful for us, as we could keep a bunch of dead corps in alliance to maintain majority vote for executorship, without actually dedicating any characters to it. We'll have to test whether or not their votes actually still contribute to ownership of an alliance...

Burn Highsec Griefers