Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fit dual points to catch these. Simple solution. More incentive for these to go to lowsec the more of these there will be to hunt. People complaining that a +2 bonus is too high sound like they want the prey to be easier to catch. Fit your ship for the task. Dual point it if you want to hunt these frigs. Fly with a wingman.

+2 warp strength I like. Gives me a challenge to catch these. Do I fit my ship for a roam with hunting these as primary goal, fit dual point as a just incase I see one of these or kick myself for not fitting enough tackle when I see lots of these out and about......

The Gas Harvesting book costs over 21M isk. No newbie is going to be able to afford one. Anyone who can afford the book will have bigger ships for gas harvesting. If they are using this ship, it will be as a disposable one - cheap enough to be lost.

Which brings me to my other point. To most "carebears" low & null is full of scary stuff. Something cheap enough and with a reasonable chance at survival (the + warp stab), this will condition (in the pavlovian sense of the word) carebears to the point that they'll go to low sec - that one doesn't need to drive them there at gunpoint (CCP would lose about 1/4 to 1/3 of subscribers if high "went away" all at once). Later, the ore yields in high sec will get reduced to where now most mining is done in low & null. This will be counter productive if the warp stab gets removed. Having to fit warp stabs on a mining ship will reduce the range one can mine at to about 4km - making such a ship useless for the purpose of luring carebears to low/null.

i think cahnging the skill might undermine the bonuses if you can fit a battleship with 8 of them from the get go. i think dropping the T2 harvester (salvagers codebreakers and analyzers while they are at it) to four would at least make it worthwhile for most dabblers to train to 4 and use this frig, but make 5 only for those wishing to specialize (in the event they release a t2 with better gas bonuses) if they did that, level 3 would be the only one not worthwhile

changing the skill would ultimately requite ccp to change a bunch of other stuff to keep gas mining balanced

The Impel is also a 100m isk T2 ship, not a frigate handed out for free with minimal to nonexistent skill requirements. It also has the align time of a supertanker, meaning if I stumble upon one in the wild while flying solo I can bump-tackle it and kill it that way. It's also a hauler, meaning that it spends 90% of its time traveling through gates (you know, to haul things) rather than sitting (possibly aligned) in some mining site ready to warp to a safespot and cloak at the drop of a hat. None of these things is true of the ORE frig. There's no reason for it to have a WCS bonus except that CCP seem to be feeling the need to make everything mining-related 100% idiot-proof lately.

Mining needs some love? Seriously? 2/10 bro, poor troll. (Hint: there was an exhumer buff)

Also it's completely obvious that between the cloak and the frigate speed / agility this ship would have plenty of chances to "dodge pvp" without needing a WCS bonus.

#1 with the current high slots config on that set up your better off using a cruiser than the ore frig for gas mining as you wold have to train a new skill to 5 just to git the same amount of gas per cycle as a cruiser with 5 gas t2s. with the bonus to gas harvesting of 100% and the 5% per lvl and only having 2 gas harvester's on the ore frig.


#2 all you nood's really don't have a clue what gas mining is. the reply's talking about taking damage from mining gas clouds are thinking of mercoxic mining and that's not what were talking about.


if you could open up the last high slot to make it a turret the ship wold take no time to reconfigure and wold make it a true upgrade to gas mining

no one really gives a crap about the +2 warp core man its about the gas mining people that were told they were putting a gas mining bonus on the ship when it really is not a bonus at all

Can't believe I am responding to this...I stab my exhumers in null. That bother you? I do it because its safer, and even skiffs have a pretty quick align time, but mine have like nearly 90k ehp. Your scrammed, doesn't matter how much ehp you have really, if you don't get help soon in a barge, your done...Because they are not combat ships. Number two, it's a game, it's supposed to be fun. If it makes you cry that some ships have a special role you don't like, quit. I heard of more than one miner who quit the game completely after losing successive hulks during Goon sponsored Hulkageddon.

Guess what I am trying to say, It's not just your game, other people play too, and spend alot of money doing it. Miners generally have more than one alt they fly at once. You see, you can't run a successful subscription game when the only dynamic that gets any attention is the griefing one. Obviously, you have to trust why the Devs gave the ship that bonus...they gonna be doing more than flying through a gate camp. These are the people that bring you the stuff that ships are built from.

Well, will try...
When you start as a miner just high sec ore from 1.0 down to 0.5 belts, would be best use for the time you've been in game. When you get up there, might need some zydrine or megacyte that you can't get from high sec ore. If you don't feel like buying what you need, some might want to get it themselves. They kind of fragile, so can't take alot of hitting, as some of the veteran gas miners have been expressing concern about.
After you have trained enough, perfect ship for scan sites in dangerous places. getting ores and gas from places where before people weren't inclined to risk 100 million plus worth of equipment. Watch out for the AoE gas clouds! So it has it's uses for high end miners. risk/isk evaluation wise...
Not much for hauling, and cargo is pitiful, not really a transport. Its max targetting range is like 15km, so unless its boosted, not viable to put weapons on it. For any kind of efective PvP. Some pointed to it being used as a tackler...doesn't look like it would have the speed for combat duty, except in tackling other industrials. Kind of fragile too.
I think it is what the devs say it is...An entry level mining ship to introduce new players to mining as a viable career, and also has bonuses that more experienced miners would still value. It never becomes obsolete in other words, people won't put it down to pick up a barge. They would keep it for gas later, or for riskier endeavours that would call upon the role this ship fills. Small maneuverable miner, with lower ore yeild and capacity, but still enough to make it profitable. It's survivability is based on it's ability to retreat quickly in the face of danger, as opposed to durability.
In time, will be used for all sorts of things I can't think of right now for sure, lol.
High slots I would put mining lasers, and depending a cloak or a tractor, maybe salvager. Cloak to hide, tractor if I am looking for specific rocks, and have a hauler coming later, so I can drag a can behind me as I go. Mids probably a mwd, and some shield hardeners (pg and cpu permitting). the low slot, maybe a cargo expander for mercoxit crystals. A damage control add to durability. Nano to agility. Another stab would be overkill maybe. mining upgrade boosts yeild. Might even need to jam a cpu upgrade in there.
Guess fitting depends on play style.

Fitting stabs on your skiff requires a tradeoff-- you have to sacrifice lowslots to do it. Building WCS into a hull means that no tradeoffs are necessary-- you can max yield and escapability at the same time.

Also, non-consensual PvP isn't "griefing," it's part of the game. That's what people like you don't seem to understand. You'd like an environment where you can farm your hearts out with near-zero risk to your assets, while the rest of us signed up many years ago for a game that was based on open-world PvP as well as industry. We don't appreciate you rolling in and demanding an end to the aspects of this game that brought us here in the first place.

Oh, and if I can quad-box combat ships (which is a hell of a lot more demanding than pressing a strip-miner button on a few accounts once per hour while flying a hauler to and from a station on another), you should probably be able to handle your mining ships. I don't ask for built in security features on my hulls because I've chosen to multibox. If you can't safely operate multiple clients concurrently then maybe you should stop multiboxing instead of whining about how controlling multiple accounts is too hard and you need free, built-in warp core stabs to compensate.