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Most? Hmmm... most dev blogs that are beloved by 'most' player's don't get 40'ish pages of people complaining about the ramifications of said change... but you may be right. Ah, nope. Looked at the thread, turns our you're wrong. But you're half right, there isn't much rage over this one. It's a pretty minor change with a raft of unintended consequences. This isn't a rage-inducing change but there will be a decent chunk of people having just a bit less fun PvE'ing in Eve Online after this change is implemented. And since the general consensus is that EvE PvE isn't much fun now... that's a bad thing.

We'll simply lump you in with the other blind white-knights. Overjoyed with the 'maybe' future changes, and ignoring the current state of affairs. Although if you truely understand what the Devs have explained and have a magic crystal ball be sure to let those of us who don't... know what you see.

Eagerly awaiting your reply.



I'm not sure why you're talking about missions, but I guess it means you're not replying to my posts. Potential changes to missions aren't really my biggest concern. On the mission topic do you actually imagine most missions will be more fun the day after this patch rolls live for solo L4 pilots? The vast majority of L4's are likely done by solo pilots, because the payout seems fairly horrible if you need a fleet to churn through an L4.



Wait... Hold on... you want CCP to blindly release code that will potentially break half a dozen different play-styles, then spend the next several months fixing the code? Because honestly that seems pretty horrible to me. I guess you could ask the remaining Incursion runners how that break-fix cycle works. I suppose there are still folks running them. Also, the Dev's who are releasing these changes are not going to implement any changes to the current PvE missions / PLEXs... so don't expect any fine tuning of anything other than AI down the road.

But on the topic of good dev. procedures? I can simply point back to my post 20'ish pages ago. You're replacing a piece of spaghetti code that's horribly out-of-date. Design your replacement code to duplicate the existing code, without any unintended consequences. It gives you some wonderful things...

A) You get that precious line on the patch notes. You can virtually copy n' paste the existing Dev Blog, but with more emphasis on future improvements (something the Dev Blog totally ignores) and less on the current changes.

B) You don't get the raft of unintended consequences. Nor do you throw yourself into another endless break-fix cycle. But since this team just got over doing it with the Incursion crew, I suppose they're used to it.

Simple, no?

For a grand total of 4 days.
And the jury is already back from the testing, before it started.

Here is an excerpt from Goliath's post today:

"For the purposes of AI, with a few exceptions, one level 4 mission is exactly the same as the rest. This has been extensively tested in house and we're broadening the scope to get player feedback and pick up edge cases."

By that token, I assume it is OK to test just one null sec plex and be done with the testing?

Why bother putting the server up at all, since Golaith has already stated that you have done extensive in-house testing and if you have tested one mission, you have pretty much tested them all.

This has been a bad joke from the beginning.

In CCP's defense they did make a single change to a single Null NPC type based on testing feedback... OTOH, they seem fairly likely to ignore the other unintended consequences from the change.

There will need to be some heavy testing in the small window available.

You know they're not really listening.

Dismissing people's concerns outright is not listening. Namely I'm referring to how it makes no sense that NPCs would switch to a ship that's killing their previous target who was slaughtering them by the thousands. You didn't really address how several of us have stated that this makes things more secure for many players who run anomalies in nullsec for example, when this group certainly doesn't need an extra level of protection. I've looked through the tread and also haven't found anything addressing how this will make things significantly more difficult for new players who are trying missions with their more experienced friends, and significantly more difficult if not impossible for groups of players to tackle sites like Dread Guristas Fleet Staging Point 3 without ALL bringing the tank required to survive the station aggro.

You're introducing a lot of problems for exactly what benefit? Can you honestly tell me what the actual benefit of this is besides "it might make things more interesting" which is itself rather doubtful?

You have not addressed PVP concerns at all other than "we are okay with half the solo PVP professions in the game being removed", which is totally unacceptable.

Please stop defending the CCP Developer's when they go out of their way to squash the play-styles of PvP'ers and newer player's... and then ignore anyone complaining about these changes as being trivial.

Logic has no real foundation in a space-based submarine simulator type game anyway.

Maybe you should actually try making a career out of ganking ratters in nullsec before you start talking about the "absurdity of the argument".

Why should I bother? You're just going to ignore it.

Very bad idea imho. "To make rats little smarter" sounds to me its more like "ruin game for all to get rid of afk missioners". It will broke the game for innocent drone boat users and also for those innocent who uses multiple accounts to PVE. I smell CCP losing tons of subcritions because of this.

Example

Currently im using tengu and dominix alt to PVE. My method is that i warp dps/tank tengu in and start pounding rats. Then i warp dominix in and start pounding rats with its drones asinged to tengu. I allready have to deal with spawning waves and spreading aggro while i need to steer tengu use missiles and shield boosters. It is not cap stable tengu so i need to really fly it or rats will kill it. My domi alt have to react on those spawns by calling drones back and tank aggro or warp out. Im using one computer and one display which means i can see my domi alt only from watchlist when im steering tengu. But now if you make NPC to hate drones that much i cant use that domi alt anymore. Which basicly means that i have to stop paying 15 euros/month to CCP from that account because i dont have any use for it anymore. And theres no AFK in here. Theres just me with my 2 accounts trying to kill rats without losing ships/drones.

I hate the idea and i have allready stopped bothering with rats. I have started mining...