EVE General Discussion

(A Wall of text - be warned)
(Should read "Griefers" in topic)

Firstly, a short preamble.

According to current Eve-lingo and definitions, I am a Carebear - and couldn't care less about a label. I fly nullsec, lowsec and live in highsec. I run missions, do exploration (mostly WH's these days, quite frustrating), do cargo runs, dodge Caldari and Amarr navies (my standing with them suck). In brief, I love this game and most of the people playing it - Pirates and Griefers included. I have one account and one character, that is how I have always enjoyed all the MMO's I have played.

That being said :-

I would like to raise a glass to Pirates and Griefers - strange as this may be. Without you, this game would that bit more mundane. Nothing gives me a bigger smile than when I am doing a mission and a Ninja flips one or more of my wrecks, goes red to me and then sits and waits. I ignore and continue with the mission at hand and will invite the Ninja to please help themselves to the loot. Sometimes I will even abandon the wrecks as soon as I see a known Ninja enter the mission room. The latter does tend to upset a Ninja tremendously, as the idea is for them to flip a can and hope you pew-pew them - at which point they jump in with their proper Alt in a big ship or Concord punishes you instead.

Of the 12 "visitations" I have had in my brief Eve career, I have struck-up excellent conversations and even formed friendships with at least 8 of them, they turn out to be very decent human beings, very decent players. How refreshing to find that even the majority of hardcore "bad/evil" players in Eve are intelligent, humorous, interesting people and basically out to have fun just like I am. There are of course the exceptions which are total azzwipes and obviously mentally handicapped, but judging from my travels and meetings in space, these are, thankfully, in the minority.

To those of you who go about your nefarious ways - thank you for the excitement and the fun, Eve definetly needs you. I think one of the best effects arising from your actions is that you potentially identify and weed-out the players who in reality should perhaps not be playing Eve. I am speaking of course of the crazy rage-quitters who totally lose their minds when you flip one of their wrecks. left in peace and unbothered, these players become the azzwipes of Eve. Mommies spoilt little brats.

I am not a pvp'er, but if attacked I will do what I can do defend myself. Flying through lowsec for better ratting, I sometimes come across a player who locks me, scrams me, webs me and starts to pew-pew me. Perhaps I have not been sufficiently unlucky yet, but upon me shooting back, they have disengaged and run. Here I was thinking I was the n00b, refreshing to know here are Pvp'ers who are even more so (chuckles). I only deal a puny 2500Dps with blasters, but to be fair most destroyers and frigates tend not to take that kind of damage too well. I guess what I am saying is - I do not PvP but that too is totally a very important part of Eve, as are Pirates and griefers - hell, even scammers. I stick to the trusted and true saying "Do not fly what you cannot afford". So very true. I would urge any new Eve players to heed this.

This would not be a sandbox if one or more of the above were not ingame. Eve is a harsh mistress, but very seductive, enticing and accommodating in what you can do in the game. I started life here April 14th 2011. I hope to be playing this game many years from now, warts and all (that would be me and this game).

Forums to me are an essential part of the game as well. Things are said, things happen in the forums which directly affect things ingame. Oh, there are idiots, that's a given on *any* forums.

Flying solo - want to join me?

I fly solo at this point in time, but every day brings me closer to joining a decent corp run by mature people who also love this game. I guess here I am quite lucky in that my son is a member of one such corp, so I have a bit of a heads-up. 95% of my skills to date are combat and ship related with most of the skills on 4's and 5's. I fly Gallente (perhaps not the best choice at this time), but I enjoy the challenge of not being "invlunerable" to being blown-up. I will often fly into a hard level 4 with a BC, often times a Myrmidon. I would hate being restricted to fly one type of ship all the time. Take a small Incursus to lowsec and do some ratting - now there's some fun and excitement.

I recently had the privilege of being in a small fleet, the objective was to remove some offending SBU's which where threatening the Sov of a well-known player in the Eve community. I even received my first medal! An experience I will never forget (and hunger for more!).

I guess what I am trying to say is this - Eve has it's many different types of players, good and bad, idiots and intelligent people, doing all sorts of things. How can you not like this game, even with it's warts and all ? I now know why the old players become so upset about non-delivery by CCP. Yes, it is frustrating not having known bugs fixed and not having promises fulfilled, but in the grand scheme of things, no other MMO beats Eve and what she offers.

Here's to Eve, may she live a long, long time *raises glass*

Best regards.

You sir are not a carebear. Even though you participate in bear activities, you understand why others chose to play the game the way they wish and do not begrudge them for playing within the rules of EVE. Further more, you see how these people are actually vital to the existence of of the complex network of interaction that is EVE online.

What makes a PVE player a carebear, is not that they chose to spend time shooting NPCs, live in high sec, or refuse to take risks. A carebear is a player who can not see that his actions effect everyone in EVE in someway, and rejects the idea that others should be allowed to influence him. They do not just avoid risk, but believe that it should not exist at all.

My go to analogy is that of the peon in an RTS trying to argue that the game is about cutting wood, and demanding that no one be allowed to come kill him with a sword.

Fixed that for you

So very true indeed! Having played several other MMO's, there is nothing, absolutely nothing out there that comes close to Eve. One has to congratulate the creators of Eve for that at least.

Good Read, and Thumbs up mate. Also a PvE player who likes wee bit risk ^^ But I fly Caldari ships I love Ze Missles™ :D

No you're not.

A carebear is someone who prefers to be in or near to high-sec, only pve's or mines and gets upset at the thought of pvp or doing anything "morally" wrong. You most certainly are not a carebear for the simple fact that you acknowledge that piracy and griefinf are a valid part of the game and do not "rage" against it.

Saved me typing some words.

Agreed, which is why it is imperative that CCP deliver a fully-functional Incarna with full WiS as a matter of urgency.

So... carebears fly around in low/0.0 with gank fitted vindicators these days...

What has eve come to?

I salute you sir, may you some day come to one of my wormholes, and perhaps someday we can meet :)

/me tips hat and raises a glass. Pirates and criminals make Eve fun... it would be dull without them!