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Only Gallente and some Amarr ships should have drones
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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#21 - 2012-09-20 15:58:35 UTC
Caldari Pilot #1: Hey, you see that Gallente boat? He had these drone-things that ripped up our frigates. Nasty little devils.

Caldari Pilot #2: Well, want our R&D departments to build our own? Might not be able to have as much space for them considering our missile payloads, but we can manage it.

Caldari Pilot #1: ...naaaah. Useful as they seem, I don't think it quite fits our style of doing things. Ahwell.



You're right. What race in their right mind would ever adopt a useful addition to their capabilities simply because it 'belongs' to other races?
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#22 - 2012-09-20 16:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Exploited Engineer
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.


And ...?

How many ships with drone bonuses can you find in the Minmatar or Caldari ship lineup?

Drones _are_ a Gallente speciality. Of the main factions, only Gallente have drone-bonused ships in basically all sizes. But just like you can strap autocannons on a Rokh, other factions can use drones. Heck, you can even shield-tank Amarr ships, and put missile launchers on Gallente ships.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#23 - 2012-09-20 16:07:45 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?
Lavitakus Bromier
WTF Bunnies
#24 - 2012-09-20 16:37:10 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?



It's not enough I want more
Ginger Barbarella
#25 - 2012-09-20 17:51:39 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?



It's not enough I want more


Carrier. Problem solved.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Romvex
TURN LEFT
#26 - 2012-09-20 19:54:03 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?



It's not enough I want more


Carrier. Problem solved.


yes carriers have missile launchers.
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#27 - 2012-09-20 22:50:21 UTC
Romvex wrote:
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?



It's not enough I want more


Carrier. Problem solved.


yes carriers have missile launchers.


Let's keep it accurate, then. They can only use Defender missiles.
Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-09-20 23:41:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
He's right, but then people come in making points like how Battleships need drones to hit frigates, or if drones are only usable on Gallente, then projectiles should only be used on Minmatar.

But they take it too far, and so does the OP.

He is right that too many Caldari and Minmatar ships have drones - ships like the Moa, Stabber, Caracal, Omen, have small amounts of drones for no reason which are basically useless (and only used for ECM Drones for the most part), so those drone bays should be nerfed proabably. But I don't think anyone would mind if Minmatar and Caldari BATTLESHIPS (and maybe Battlecruisers) got a decent drone bay - just as long as the Gallente equivalent had a much bigger drone bay.

It doesn't have to just be one or the other - we can compromise, Gallente can have drone-bonuses ships through all classes, Amarr can have drone-bonuses ships in all classes, but with generally less dedication to drones than Gallente. Minmatar and Caldari can have average drone bays as ships get bigger, but with no frigate drone-users and maybe only one cruiser each with a small drone bay.

In turn, after nerfing any stupid drone bays, like the one on the Omen, Stabber, etc.. they can add some extra dps to them or something to compensate.

This is the right thing to do, in my opinion, and it's a simple ******* thing.
Piugattuk
Litla Sundlaugin
#29 - 2012-09-21 01:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Piugattuk
OK, OK, lets give only the children with letters A-G the blue ball, H-R get red, and S- Z get green, hooray were all unique and we're all winners you get a gold star and you and you and little Jimmy gets a star...come on already why is there soooo much Mrs. Kravitz(ffrom TV show bewitched) peaking from behind curtains worried about her neighbors goings on's. P
Dyvout Minerson
Green Seekers
#30 - 2012-09-21 06:31:03 UTC
Ares Desideratus wrote:
He's right, but then people come in making points like how Battleships need drones to hit frigates, or if drones are only usable on Gallente, then projectiles should only be used on Minmatar.

But they take it too far, and so does the OP.

He is right that too many Caldari and Minmatar ships have drones - ships like the Moa, Stabber, Caracal, Omen, have small amounts of drones for no reason which are basically useless (and only used for ECM Drones for the most part), so those drone bays should be nerfed proabably. But I don't think anyone would mind if Minmatar and Caldari BATTLESHIPS (and maybe Battlecruisers) got a decent drone bay - just as long as the Gallente equivalent had a much bigger drone bay.

It doesn't have to just be one or the other - we can compromise, Gallente can have drone-bonuses ships through all classes, Amarr can have drone-bonuses ships in all classes, but with generally less dedication to drones than Gallente. Minmatar and Caldari can have average drone bays as ships get bigger, but with no frigate drone-users and maybe only one cruiser each with a small drone bay.

In turn, after nerfing any stupid drone bays, like the one on the Omen, Stabber, etc.. they can add some extra dps to them or something to compensate.

This is the right thing to do, in my opinion, and it's a simple ******* thing.



You may want to read the upcoming notes on Cruisers. The Omen is getting a 40m drone bay. Its getting larger, not smaller. ;P
Alayna Le'line
#31 - 2012-09-21 09:25:47 UTC
Roime wrote:
Alayna Le'line wrote:
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.


It's easier for them to relegate drones to a secondary weapons system than to fix them.

The fact that Ytterbium is in charge of the revamp should say enough, as the above is something he said literally, if you care enough you can dig it up in one of the frigate rebalance threadnaughts quoted by someone (since the original got redacted...).

The fact that drones are pretty broken (as a main weapon system) and apparently have been for a long while make it so nobody really cares about them anymore which makes 'stealthily' pushing this through rather easy.


The ships that use drones as main weapons are far from broken, and that fact kind of invalidates your whole argument.



The ships that use them might not be (where did I say that anyway?) but the system itself is, or rather the UI is, but one kinda flows over into the other imho (they're just a huge pain to manage). Drone mechanics have been discussed to death before (not that CCP seems to have picked up any of it)
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#32 - 2012-09-21 11:42:27 UTC
Only minmatar and some gallente ships should have engines.

1/10, OP.
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CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#33 - 2012-09-21 16:03:16 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Only minmatar and some gallente ships should have engines.

1/10, OP.


I thought Minnie ships used sails?
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#34 - 2012-09-21 19:20:32 UTC
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Only minmatar and some gallente ships should have engines.

1/10, OP.


I thought Minnie ships used sails?



And peddles (for bursts of speed of course)

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Tarinara
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-09-26 02:54:52 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

Caldari stole some drone BPO's on the way out the door as they were flipping off the Gallente. Amarr found out missiles were kinda useful from the Khanid who buddy'd up with the Caldari while having a spat with the former Emperor and had flipped him off on the way out the door ( if I remember that lore properly ).

It all makes sense actually. Not to mention all of us capsuleers dabbling in everyones tech.
Hirimatsu Yamamoto
AGGRESSIVE ASSET RELOCATION
#36 - 2012-09-26 03:17:53 UTC
Ashera Yune wrote:
It disappoints me that CCP keeps giving drones to many non-Gallente ships. Drones are supposed to be a gallente specialty.

Minmatar can track smaller ships fine with autocannons and Caldari ships can hit frigates with missiles.

Amarr were the first to pioneer the use of drones, the Gallente were the ones to improve on it.

This will make Gallente the preferred in certain aspect compared to other races.

The only exceptions to this rule are Carriers and Supercarriers.

Remove drones from all minmatar and caldari ships and some amarr ships.

This will make Gallente more unique.


All I can ask is, why?

I mean, there are only a few non Gallente ships that could be considered drone boat (i.e. Pilgrim, Arbitrator, etc). Is taking them away from the other races really going to make that much of a difference?

I think taking the drones away from all other races would be too much of a nerf on some ships, and far too much of a buff as a "racial bonus" in favor of the Gallente.

Drones are tools, and in many cases just additional damange to non Gal Ships. It is also the only really reliable way to counter drones.

I say there is no need to change anything.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#37 - 2012-09-27 09:47:44 UTC
Zyella Stormborn wrote:
CorInaXeraL wrote:
Leopold Caine wrote:
Only minmatar and some gallente ships should have engines.

1/10, OP.


I thought Minnie ships used sails?



And peddles (for bursts of speed of course)



I just whip my slaves harder when I want to turn on the MWD.
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Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#38 - 2012-09-27 11:25:50 UTC
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Lavitakus Bromier wrote:
If drones only go.to amarr/gal
I.will never.get the missile drone.ship I want so badly...


Worm/Gila/Rattlesnake?



It's not enough I want more


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